The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok
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The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok
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#2> Then I explain what I think should be done and we’ll keep discussing it until I stop having more thoughts to give and the machine stops saying stupid things which need correcting.
Users like the author must be the most valuable Claude asset, because AI itself isn't a product — people's feedback that shapes output is.
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#3AI is just another layer of abstraction. I'm sure the assembly language folks were grumbling about functions as being too abstracted at one point
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#4AI is just another layer of abstraction. I'm sure the assembly language folks were grumbling about functions as being too abstracted at one point
You could say that about atomic bombs, too.
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#5> So pure vibe coding is a myth. But they’re still trying to do it, and this leads to some very ridiculous outcomes
creating a product in a span of mere months that millions of developers use everday is opposite of ridiculous. we wouldn't even have known about the supposed ridiculousness of code if it hadnt leaked.
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#6AI is just another layer of abstraction. I'm sure the assembly language folks were grumbling about functions as being too abstracted at one point
High level languages that replaced assembly are not black boxes.
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#7This is the guy that created bittorrent, btw.
I know that was a long time ago, but he's not just some random blogger.
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#8> That wouldn’t even be a big violation of the vibe coding concept. You’re reading the innards a little but you’re only giving high-level, conceptual, abstract ideas about how problems should be solved. The machine is doing the vast majority, if not literally all, of the actual writing.
Claude Code is being produced at AI Level 7 (Human specced, bots coded), whereas the author is arguing that AI Level 6 (Bots coded, human understands somewhat) yields substantially better results. I happen to agree, but I'd like to call out that people have wildly different opinions on this; some people say that the max AI Level should be 5 (Bots coded, human understands completely), and of course some people think that you lose touch with the ground if you go above AI Level 2 (Human coded with minor assists).
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#9AI is just another layer of abstraction. I'm sure the assembly language folks were grumbling about functions as being too abstracted at one point
I totally see what you're saying, but to me this feels different. Compilation is a fairly mechanical and well understood process. The large language models aren't just compiling English to assembler via your chosen language, they try and guess what you want, they add extra bits you didn't ask for, they're doing some of your solution thinking for you. That feels like more than just abstraction to me.
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#10AI is just another layer of abstraction. I'm sure the assembly language folks were grumbling about functions as being too abstracted at one point
That is abstraction of the implementation of the tool, not the output.
Producing outputs you don’t understand is novel