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Re: Usenet Archives

#41

Usenet archives have helped me tremendously. For example, I'm looking for info on an old (non-xenix) Unix for the apple Lisa and it gave me a name (and after a bit of digging, an address) of someone who was trusted with the remaining stock after the company that made it went under

This is what the internet used to be about, just people ... connecting with people, without all the hassle of big business in the way.

Re: Usenet Archives

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

spam murdered it. It got ridiculous pretty quickly. The overhead to spam was so low as the protocol was designed to be low friction for posting. The system then took care of carrying the payload everywhere in a reasonable time. People fought back with filters and kill lists. But was not really enough. Once the ISPs decided they did not want the added cost of running the servers usenet tanked pretty quick. Still alive…

Binaries killed Usenet, not spam.

Little bit of both. From my own anecdata, most people I knew left usenet due to spam problems. Most of the people who did not were primarily the ones using it for binaries. And then yes, the binary angle started the trend where ISPs stopped offering it altogether, which even further reduced the likelihood that people would use it.

And then there were weirdos (sickos?) such as myself who hung on for an absurd amount of time and never once used it for binaries

Re: Usenet Archives

#44
post #36

Other than the nicer UX, is this different than the large archive in groups.google.com ?

Google has had memory loss. I was on usenet in the early 80's and when Google took over, I had fun reviewing my posts. Probably 10 years ago (more or less), I did the search again and the earliest post was sometime in the 90's. Very sad that they lost all those posts (not just of mine, but surely there are many more they lost). EDIT: and in this specific archive, the earliest post of mine is 2003!

Especially annoying because if I remember correctly people gave Google some irreplaceable backup tapes on the promise that there'd be a complete archive, and within a couple of years it'd turned into Google Groups...

Re: Usenet Archives

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post #27
post #5

It's so disappointing that we could have had Usenet, but instead have centralised/corporate/ad/spyware invested Facebook/Reddit/Xitter/Tiktok.

What we have today is drastically, unquestionably better that what Usenet offered. The very fact that we're conversing in real time in a coherent thread where everyone sees the same messages is a basic task Usenet was not fit to provide.

In the early days Usenet propagation was slow and haphazard because the communication links available were very limited. Nowadays I can post a message on one Usenet server and it appears on other servers in a few seconds. So coherent real-time conversations are no problem.

On the other hand, with a long-running discussion, HN, Reddit, etc. still have no way to see what messages are new since you last looked at a thread, something which Usenet clients have always done and still do now.

Re: Usenet Archives

#46
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What we have today is drastically, unquestionably better that what Usenet offered. The very fact that we're conversing in real time in a coherent thread where everyone sees the same messages is a basic task Usenet was not fit to provide.

In the early days Usenet propagation was slow and haphazard because the communication links available were very limited. Nowadays I can post a message on one Usenet server and it appears on other servers in a few seconds. So coherent real-time conversations are no problem. On the other hand, with a long-running discussion, HN, Reddit, etc. still have no way to see what messages are new since you last looked at a thre…

> Nowadays I can post a message on one Usenet server and it appears on other servers in a few seconds.

To be fair, that's probably because it's now a lot more centralized than it was intended to be.

Re: Usenet Archives

#47
post #30

I had tried this site a year or two ago and found it unusable then, but it seems greatly improved now. I found posts as old as 1982, but recent coverage seems to stop around April 2022. Crucially, it supports full-text search on posts within a specific group - something which my own site https://newsgrouper.org cannot do. I find the user interface a little awkward, but it does now appear to be a really useful resourc…

Where are you seeing full-text search for groups? I can filter the post titles on the current page of listings, but this is completely useles...

As I said, the user interface is awkward. You need to select the "Content" checkbox when searching for Posts. E.g. to search for "deadlock" within comp.lang.tcl, start with https://usenetarchives.com/index.php?s=deadlock%20ingroup:co... then select "Content", unselect "Author" and "Subject" and click "Search".

Re: Usenet Archives

#48

I had tried this site a year or two ago and found it unusable then, but it seems greatly improved now. I found posts as old as 1982, but recent coverage seems to stop around April 2022. Crucially, it supports full-text search on posts within a specific group - something which my own site https://newsgrouper.org cannot do. I find the user interface a little awkward, but it does now appear to be a really useful resourc…

> it seems greatly improved

With 1990's style age "verification" to boot.

Re: Usenet Archives

#49
Usenet must be a generational thing, because it was not widely available or used when I was in university. We were all concerned with if we were allowed to torrent content and how strict they were with enforcement. I recall friends on some campuses had very strict policies where two strikes could mean you had no internet service in the dormitory for the remainder of the year.

Re: Usenet Archives

#50

weird, it seemed like the search index didn't go back past 2003. And then I tried a few more searches and found some hits. So I guess the index is a little spotty? But try a few search terms, you might find what you're looking for.

comp.lang.java seems to go all the way back to 1995. Maybe depends on the group?
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