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Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by db48x »

hparadiz wrote: post #58
andy99 wrote: post #56

What does one achieve with 25 GB internet? Are speeds actually usefully faster, or is there some other bottleneck that makes the practical speed the same as in the US? Also any workload I have that is bandwidth heavy would be on clouds machines between data centres and generally very fast. Are there reasons why someone at home would benefit from 25GB internet beyond whatever is available? Is this a case of over engin…

I can actually get 7 gbit but have no idea what I'd use with it. I'd need to upgrade my entire lan just to make use of it.

It’s not official, but you don’t always need to replace Cat5 cable with Cat6 to support 10Gbps Ethernet. Cat5 might only get you a quarter of the range of Cat6 on a good day, but since the range of Ethernet is 300 feet you would need a really big house to have cables that were too long.

But generally the real question is how often the extra speed would give you a real measurable advantage. If it’s only a few times per month then it’s probably not worth the extra subscription cost.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #450
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #447

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> where the government should step in and say “welp, you took too long, we’re now funding municiple fiber and we’ll give it to everyone cheap Thereby accruing not only a capital expenditure but ongoing operational obligation? How is this better than scaring the cable company into fronting the cash to get the same outcome?

In which way this is a viable strategy that you can repeat more than once?

> In which way this is a viable strategy that you can repeat more than once?

I’m not saying commit to bluffing. But after the other guy has folded, continuing with your threat just to be petty is kind of dumb.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by db48x »

strictnein wrote: post #162
exabrial wrote: post #146

What? There is no free market with wired internet. State, federal, and municipalities entrenched local monopolies through "tax breaks", subsidies, over regulation, piles of permits, and many more. The cable/fiber providers played all areas of government like a fiddle.

The amount of people here who think any market failure in the US is due to it being a "free market" is kind of astounding. There are exactly zero "free markets" in the US.

I don’t know if there are zero free markets, but there are an awful lot of thumbs on the scale.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

m_mueller wrote: post #391
jdeibele wrote: post #292

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https://broadbandnow.com/report/municipal-broadband-roadbloc... It’s from 2023 but says 16 to 19 states.

this is insane. I guess it's that easy for telcos to lobby the legislators for keeping up their rents?

> guess it's that easy for telcos to lobby the legislators

16 states having restrictions while two go explicitly pro-municipal broadband doesn’t seem like a lobbyist’s panacea. Skimming the list of states with restrictions, they look like red states trying to bridle their blue cities. Partisanship seems the more-parsimonious explanation.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #452
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In which way this is a viable strategy that you can repeat more than once?

> In which way this is a viable strategy that you can repeat more than once? I’m not saying commit to bluffing. But after the other guy has folded, continuing with your threat just to be petty is kind of dumb.

Or not if you want the threat to work a next time.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by inglor_cz »

Ray20 wrote: post #428
Moldoteck wrote: post #296

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It's so homogeneous that there are 4 national languages, one of which is german with tons of loval dialects. It's so homogeneous that each canton has own sub regulations. It's so homogeneous that in it's biggest city, Zurich, 34% of people are foreigners and 45% born outside of Switzerland. But we can look at the opposite part of spectrum - Moldova, poorest country in Europe - 85% of infra is covered by fibre, >90% o…

> It's so homogeneous that there are 4 national languages Perhaps he's talking about a different kind of homogeneity (one that conventionally falls under the "racism" category) > Moldova, poorest country in Europe - 85% of infra is covered by fibre Do not arm him with arguments

Americans are so used to racialized society that they tend to see "white" as a natural diversity/homogenity category, same with "Asian". And so they see "white Switzerland" as a homogeneous country.

That is absurd for anyone who lives in the Old World. Some of the worst wars in history were fought amongst people whom you wouldn't be able to tell apart in a sauna.

Heck, even Palestinians and Israeli Jews are physically very similar.

"White", "brown" etc. aren't meaningful categories in the Old World, with a few exceptions like South Africa. Most of the Old World is intensely tribal.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by khalic »

denysvitali wrote: post #350
khalic wrote: post #303

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I’m not even talking about the languages, we have 20% immigrants in the population, and an even larger part has foreign roots. We also don’t have weapons in every household, if we’re talking myths

> We also don’t have weapons in every household, if we’re talking myths It all depends if you did your military service (which implies that you're swiss) and if you didn't decide to drop out of it or deemed as unfit. I don't think it's a myth really, it just happens to be that a lot of people don't do their military service and thus don't have to keep a weapon at home

You’re right about the source of the weapons wrong about how many there are. An estimated one in five household has firearms, with a significant percentage not having ammunition at home at all.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by firesteelrain »

I have 500 Mbps internet (fiber optic) with 40+ devices on it. I don’t see myself needing even 1 Gbps nor even close to 25 Gbps. At my enterprise, we have 900 simultaneous users to include thousands of CICD jobs, and we don’t even come close to 25 Gbps.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by khalic »

dotancohen wrote: post #362
khalic wrote: post #303

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I’m not even talking about the languages, we have 20% immigrants in the population, and an even larger part has foreign roots. We also don’t have weapons in every household, if we’re talking myths

> I’m not even talking about the languages, we have 20% immigrants in the population, and an even larger part has foreign roots. Both LA and Miami speak Spanish, no? > We also don’t have weapons in every household, if we’re talking myths Only the Republicans have weapons in every household? I'm joking, I realise that you are Swiss, but until I looked at the username I wasn't sure which side of the comparison you were…

HN layout got the best of me haha.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by beAbU »

firesteelrain wrote: post #458

I have 500 Mbps internet (fiber optic) with 40+ devices on it. I don’t see myself needing even 1 Gbps nor even close to 25 Gbps. At my enterprise, we have 900 simultaneous users to include thousands of CICD jobs, and we don’t even come close to 25 Gbps.

People were saying the same thing about 10Mbps 15 years ago.

Things change, and 25Gbps is massive future proofing for the next 50 years probably.

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