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Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Re: Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Post by exitb »

bojan wrote: post #142
Unbeliever69 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not the answer you want to here but I'll share my perspective. Three years ago my wife and I sat down and optimized our finances so I could soft-retire and focus on a few of my life goals while simultaneously working on ways to generate income without the stress of being in the employ of others. It was tough work which mainly involved paying down a lot of debt so we can live more lean. We did a lot of optimi…

Whenever I read something like this I have to ask if kids are in the picture? Or maybe they've already moved away. I'd like to do something like this but everything that has to do with kids is both too expensive and too unpredictable for lean living to be an achievable goal.

It’s a very common arrangement, both with and without kids, once you look past the gender of particular participants.

Re: Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Post by mlrtime »

Gareth321 wrote: post #121
shrubby wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder what you'd do with your passion in a just world where everything of creativity (okay almost) would not need to be turned into a income. I feel this fucking form of slavery as well hard. How sorry can life be?

We live in a world where someone has to clean the sewers, unblock toilets, maintain electricity lines in snow storms, weld deep underwater, clean, wipe the butts of old people, and 10,000 other thankless, tiring, and dangerous jobs which no one in their right mind would ever do because they found it fun and interesting. Until we have very highly capable robots to do these jobs, we need some way to incentivise doing w…

Jason Pargin has a great viewpoint on this: https://www.facebook.com/reel/1179783609733134

Apologies for a fb reel, but its the easiest way to share.

Re: Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Post by kackerlacker »

matwood wrote: post #141
tripledry wrote: post #133

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I get this, but also genuinely interested to know how to measure outputs. For me it's almost impossible to get it objectively right. Maybe this doesn't apply to your case, but how would you measure outputs of say product development, or any data related project. Lot's of things don't have a good measure of output before the thing is done. Maybe your product / analysis improves profitability by 10x or maybe it was a f…

> I get this, but also genuinely interested to know how to measure outputs. Measuring outputs or inputs (hard work) is always hard. Did someone get the thing that was asked done both quickly and correctly? Do they do this consistently? I also find inputs harder to measure because someone could be in the office 12 hours/day, but on Facebook the whole time. They could also just spin their wheels doing 'fake' work.

I spend some time going through what programmers wrote over the past years and many of them were rewarded for getting things done quickly with no complaints.. The more diligent ones probably didn't last since they got things done correctly which takes a lot more time and thought.

Re: Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Post by sokoloff »

OptionOfT wrote: post #51
anonymars wrote: post #2

One (more) thing to opt out of: Freeze Your Data - The Work Number https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze As I understand it, payroll whores your salary out to Equifax*, who then pimps it to others * Yeah, that one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Equifax_data_breach

I'm filling out the form there. I genuinely don't know why I would ever generate a salary key so I can let someone know how much money I made. Also, to prevent them from sharing the information, you need to give them even more information. Disgusting that this is allowed.

> I genuinely don't know why I would ever generate a salary key so I can let someone know how much money I made.

I value my financial privacy as well, but when I go to someone to ask to borrow a million dollars to buy a house, it seems reasonable that I’m going to have to give them some information pertinent to assuring them I’m likely to and capable of paying them back.

Re: Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Post by impish9208 »

There was a story recently about how large landlords use salary data to raise rents. If they see you got a raise, they’ll increase your rent accordingly. And pretty soon, retailers will do the same. Your personalized price for a gallon of milk at Walmart will reflect your annual raise. I love living in the future!

Re: Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Post by sokoloff »

shrubby wrote: post #98
Unbeliever69 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not the answer you want to here but I'll share my perspective. Three years ago my wife and I sat down and optimized our finances so I could soft-retire and focus on a few of my life goals while simultaneously working on ways to generate income without the stress of being in the employ of others. It was tough work which mainly involved paying down a lot of debt so we can live more lean. We did a lot of optimi…

Wonder what you'd do with your passion in a just world where everything of creativity (okay almost) would not need to be turned into a income. I feel this fucking form of slavery as well hard. How sorry can life be?

How many acres are you personally willing to farm to let others eat without payment “in a just world”?

How many days per month are you willing to pick up trash, sit in a fire station, or teach elementary school?

It’s not slavery (if you) that other people won’t give you their output without payment. In fact, it’s closer to being slavery in the other direction if they have to work and you get the benefits of their output without payment…

Re: Employers use your personal data to figure out the lowest salary you'll accept

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Post by like_any_other »

impish9208 wrote: post #156

There was a story recently about how large landlords use salary data to raise rents. If they see you got a raise, they’ll increase your rent accordingly. And pretty soon, retailers will do the same. Your personalized price for a gallon of milk at Walmart will reflect your annual raise. I love living in the future!

"I have nothing to hide"

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Post by gosub100 »

sokoloff wrote: post #157
shrubby wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder what you'd do with your passion in a just world where everything of creativity (okay almost) would not need to be turned into a income. I feel this fucking form of slavery as well hard. How sorry can life be?

How many acres are you personally willing to farm to let others eat without payment “in a just world”? How many days per month are you willing to pick up trash, sit in a fire station, or teach elementary school? It’s not slavery (if you) that other people won’t give you their output without payment. In fact, it’s closer to being slavery in the other direction if they have to work and you get the benefits of their out…

The slavery comes with not being paid in proportion to the value provided.

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Post by davidkuennen »

mememememememo wrote: post #57
Ferret7446 wrote: post #25

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That was always the "winning game". Only problem is that's a lot of work. The more things change, the more they stay the same; if you want more money, work harder. People who don't want to work harder complain that other people make more money because they either don't understand or are in denial about the amount of work the people they envy put in. Yes there are exceptions. No pointing out exceptions won't help you,…

Define work harder. I think it is worth defining as it is ambiguous and could mean one or more of: 1. Longer hours at work 2. Same hours working but adding time learning 3. Ruthless optimization of time at work. 4. Working smarter (which probably means learning new skills). 5. Doing stuff that makes you uncomfortable. E.g. honest feedback, applying 2 levels above current, hand up to lead messy project etc.

Write down 10 of your TODOs that generate income. As per natural law, it's likely that 1-2 of those TODOs will have 80% of the impact while the other 8-9 will have almost no impact. Now here comes the interesting part. You propably already know the 8-9 tasks that have almost no impact, but as per another law, those are also the easiest tasks (checking mails and such). On that list the TODO that feels like the biggest hassle and you least want to do will likely have the biggest impact. Sit down and just do it. Now, without delay. That already makes you more productive than 98% of your colleagues.
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