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Re: Chinese government blocks Google.com, Gmail, Google+, Maps, Docs and more

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Chinese people are not just Americans without good internet access...

The Chinese propaganda/education/censorship system is set up to accommodate all levels of disbelief of propaganda - that's built in to the propaganda, too.

So there is the official line, then there's the unofficial official line - which is generated by being pessimistic relative to the official line.

If the official line is that 7 people died in a disaster, rumors will float around that it was really 70, and people hearing that will feel content, cause hey, 70 people is not a lot to pay for 20 years of good economic development. Since they're anchored by the official line, suspicions never jump to 7000 people died, 20k people had their lives destroyed, which may be the reality.

It's the same with corruption - if an official gets busted for embezzling, skeptics guess that his wife is still overseas with millions, he had a couple cars, mistresses - but now he got his due and will never get out of jail. But they never guess that he was the equivalent of a mob boss in his city, had peasants disappeared, isn't even actually serving jail time, etc. (because that story would never, ever be mentioned again.)

So, rumors slightly inflating the official line are allowed, even encouraged, since they strengthen that line. But rumors showing that the official line is totally fake are destroyed - any reporter who brings one up can look forward to a life in a small town working in a factory, no education for their child, and nobody would ever hear a word about it, anyway.

Re: Chinese government blocks Google.com, Gmail, Google+, Maps, Docs and more

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Chinese people are not just Americans without good internet access... The Chinese propaganda/education/censorship system is set up to accommodate all levels of disbelief of propaganda - that's built in to the propaganda, too. So there is the official line, then there's the unofficial official line - which is generated by being pessimistic relative to the official line. If the official line is that 7 people died in a…

Sounds just like the mass media in the United States...

(Go ahead downvote it)

Re: Chinese government blocks Google.com, Gmail, Google+, Maps, Docs and more

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Yea, I was having on-off problems with Google domains as I traveled from Xinjiang (Google blocked) to Shenzhen (Open) to Beijing (Spotty Open) - is it that fickle all the time? Is it by region, time, or whim?

Each ISP has their own implementation of the golden shield, so different regions will block different things. The system is entirely opaque to us, I wouldn't be surprised if blocks were determined at the decentralized local level rather than by the central government. Beijing ISPs blocking more during this "sensitive time" would be consistent with that thought.

Sounds about right - pretty wild. What else surprised me was the strobe light / camera systems at the chokes points to cities / neighborhoods. Overall, I don't think China seemed that bad - not like military with AKs everywhere, but this stuff was quite interesting to see first hand.

Re: Chinese government blocks Google.com, Gmail, Google+, Maps, Docs and more

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each ISP has their own implementation of the golden shield, so different regions will block different things. The system is entirely opaque to us, I wouldn't be surprised if blocks were determined at the decentralized local level rather than by the central government. Beijing ISPs blocking more during this "sensitive time" would be consistent with that thought.

Sounds about right - pretty wild. What else surprised me was the strobe light / camera systems at the chokes points to cities / neighborhoods. Overall, I don't think China seemed that bad - not like military with AKs everywhere, but this stuff was quite interesting to see first hand.

The bizarre thing is that its a much freerer society than even the states in some ways. The police don't really bother you unless the situation becomes "visible," lots of sketchy things happen out in the open. You don't have to wear a helmet when cycling, etc...

Re: Chinese government blocks Google.com, Gmail, Google+, Maps, Docs and more

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Hope this shoots the CCP in the foot. The interwebs are awash w/ the latest US election results, and viral youtube videos of Obama thanking his young twentysomething campaign staffers. To give young Chinese such a glimpse of this and then brutally remind them that they don't have such luxuries of idealism and empowerment just highlights the failings of the CCP system even more...

> The interwebs are awash w/ the latest US election results, and viral youtube videos of Obama thanking his young twentysomething campaign staffers. Strangely enough, those kind of images remind me of a Chinese-style dictatorship. Legions of apparently adoring fans worshipping their benevolent leader, chanting slogans, etc. To the rest of the world, the presidential election is a reminder of everything that is wrong…

you're from the UK, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britishness In November 2007 The Times' Comment Central asked readers to define Britishness in five little words. The winning suggestion was "No motto please, we're British."

Re: Chinese government blocks Google.com, Gmail, Google+, Maps, Docs and more

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from my testing, google.com and gmail have been blocked in Beijing for a few days now. Of course, this is the same government that forced taxi drivers to remove the handles from their taxis so passengers can't roll down their windows, because they were afraid someone would drive by Tiananmen square and drop a bunch of ping pong balls with political messages on them.

Yea, I was having on-off problems with Google domains as I traveled from Xinjiang (Google blocked) to Shenzhen (Open) to Beijing (Spotty Open) - is it that fickle all the time? Is it by region, time, or whim?

It's up and down here in Guangzhou over the past few days unfortunately.

Re: Chinese government blocks Google.com, Gmail, Google+, Maps, Docs and more

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds about right - pretty wild. What else surprised me was the strobe light / camera systems at the chokes points to cities / neighborhoods. Overall, I don't think China seemed that bad - not like military with AKs everywhere, but this stuff was quite interesting to see first hand.

The bizarre thing is that its a much freerer society than even the states in some ways. The police don't really bother you unless the situation becomes "visible," lots of sketchy things happen out in the open. You don't have to wear a helmet when cycling, etc...

Yea, I felt the same way - it's almost libertarian in some ways. I felt far less paranoid around their police / security people because it seemed like their default position wasn't: hassle.

Though to be honest, the police in the states aren't really hard to beat - what culture of BS that is...

Re: Chinese government blocks Google.com, Gmail, Google+, Maps, Docs and more

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I'm located in Shenzhen, China and all those domains work as usual except for Google+ and Google Docs which have been banned for a while. Google DNS also works as usual. Even Google.cn redirects to Google.com.hk as usual. Guess I'm either lucky or this was a very short lived ban in the middle of the night. edit: Reading the article again, it seems Google didn't actually confirm the block. They simply stated there was…

On my Chinese Android phone gmail will load enough for me to see it's gmail but I get “no offline messages”. In Shanghai. Google.com is blocked too. Neither google.com nor gmail were blocked yesterday. Youtube has always been blocked and Docs has worked once since I got here.

And it's back.
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