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Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by jason-phillips »

thegrim33 wrote: post #172

It's pretty depressing that on a corner of the internet that's supposed to be a gathering of tech/geeks/nerds/stem people, discussing topics that "good hackers would find interesting", it's seemingly impossible to have a single thread about something like this that isn't almost entirely negative or political bickering.

> it's seemingly impossible to have a single thread about something like this that isn't almost entirely negative or political bickering

After the resurrection of Twitter, the conservative-leaning contingent left for X. This place was left to the miserable left, and as you would expect, is now mostly intolerable.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by paulryanrogers »

davidw wrote: post #71
FrojoS wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how many of these problems are self-inflicted, maybe we should focus more on trips to the moon and beyond, not less.

Yeah, if we cut back a bit on the war crimes we could easily fund both more moon missions and cool science, as well as a shit ton of great programs to help people with the basics like food and rent and health care.

Or as my parents would say, "socialism", as if that were a bad word.

Now war. They think that's worth it, even if it's also bad.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by paulryanrogers »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #192
jedberg wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I stated that the United States is based on Christian values. Not that the United States is a Christian state. And I said: > Christians do not own the idea of being nice to others and trusting others. But let's look at your list: > Do you value separation of state and religious authority? Women's rights? Minority rights? Human dignity? Equality before the law? Sanctity of life? Individual moral responsibility? Mono…

Christian values are always whatever individual Christians say they are. There's really no such animal in practice. Over time Christian values have included charity for the poor, rapacious capitalism, slavery, the abolition of slavery, anti-science, science, war, peace, and the rest.

Many of the Christians I hear from the most loudly are proclaiming that empathy is toxic. Go figure.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by WalterBright »

Teever wrote: post #357
WalterBright wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not engaging in convicting people without concrete evidence.

I think that the reason you reject the claims and won’t even entertain the notion as a hypothetical is because you know deep down that you’ve been duped by Musk and can’t admit that fact publicly. Should incontrovertible proof of the magnitude of the atrocities that he has committed come to light you’ll pivot and say that it was worth it because he’s taking us to Mars. That’s how conmen work and Musk is a damn good o…

When you find proof of atrocities, feel free to post it.

> dream of mars

He's doing something about it, while nobody else does nuttin.

Meanwhile, https://medium.com/swlh/here-s-to-the-crazy-ones-941190f58c5...

And it's his money being spent on it, not yours. You're not out anything. And if he succeeds, we all win.

The starship is a reality. Not a con.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by john_rambo »

how are they broadcasting in what seems like near real-time? i don't have a whole lot of understanding on the topic, but if they're seeing the dark side of the moon then i assume they don't have line of sight to Earth. it makes me feel pretty rotten about some SQL queries i have knocking about.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway132448 wrote: post #216
thegrim33 wrote: post #172

It's pretty depressing that on a corner of the internet that's supposed to be a gathering of tech/geeks/nerds/stem people, discussing topics that "good hackers would find interesting", it's seemingly impossible to have a single thread about something like this that isn't almost entirely negative or political bickering.

It’s unfortunate, but if you’re blaming the people in the thread for this, I think you’re directing your energy in the wrong direction. Focus on the people who foment and benefit from this division and distraction instead. If you want people to appreciate the bigger picture, you can’t keep forcing them to live on a shorter and shorter term outlook. The HN that you’re presumably nostalgic for existed in a time when th…

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Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway132448 wrote: post #216
thegrim33 wrote: post #172

It's pretty depressing that on a corner of the internet that's supposed to be a gathering of tech/geeks/nerds/stem people, discussing topics that "good hackers would find interesting", it's seemingly impossible to have a single thread about something like this that isn't almost entirely negative or political bickering.

It’s unfortunate, but if you’re blaming the people in the thread for this, I think you’re directing your energy in the wrong direction. Focus on the people who foment and benefit from this division and distraction instead. If you want people to appreciate the bigger picture, you can’t keep forcing them to live on a shorter and shorter term outlook. The HN that you’re presumably nostalgic for existed in a time when th…

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Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by dragonwriter »

davidw wrote: post #71
FrojoS wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how many of these problems are self-inflicted, maybe we should focus more on trips to the moon and beyond, not less.

Yeah, if we cut back a bit on the war crimes we could easily fund both more moon missions and cool science, as well as a shit ton of great programs to help people with the basics like food and rent and health care.

The US spends more per capita, and even as a share of GDP, on healthcare out of public funds than some advanced industrialized states that have universal systems, as well as spending even more on healthcare out of private funds than out of public funds. If we didn’t have a system which expended vast quantities of additional resources in order to assure that a substantial subset of the population is denied needed healthcare and instead just provided the needed healthcare, we could fund all those other things without cutting back on the war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes against peace, either direct or those that we subsidize that are executed by other regimes.

We still should cut down (ideally to zero) on war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes against peace, but the reason is because those things are unqualified evil on their own, not because doing so is necessary to fund healthcare and other priorities, which it very much is not.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by noosphr »

ryanSrich wrote: post #353
_moof wrote: post #252

I just need to say it's an extremely huge bummer how much cynicism and negativity there is about this mission. Is it perfect? No, of course not. Neither was Apollo. We are all painfully aware of the things that make it imperfect. It's still joyous and exciting. Try to let it be.

The cynicism or even lack of interest is because it's extremely underwhelming. If you ask 100 people in 1969 what humans would be doing in space in 57 years I can guarantee not a single person would guess that we've done nothing of substance. And that the most exciting thing we have done that involved human space travel is simply flying around the moon, people wouldn't believe it

On the contrary the average person in 1969 also thought that the moon missions were a waste of time and money: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02659...

This thread is pretty much how people felt back then too.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by ozgrakkurt »

thegrim33 wrote: post #172

It's pretty depressing that on a corner of the internet that's supposed to be a gathering of tech/geeks/nerds/stem people, discussing topics that "good hackers would find interesting", it's seemingly impossible to have a single thread about something like this that isn't almost entirely negative or political bickering.

This is never the problem with people talking this stuff. People don't naturally obsess about these things. It indicates that there are political problems.
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