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Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by gib444 »

vova_hn2 wrote: post #35
OutOfHere wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unprocessed fiber-containing carbs are fairly healthy. I get protein in lunch and dinner, and I don't need my oatmeal breakfast to be protein heavy. Oatmeal for lunch doesn't make much sense in isolation.

> Unprocessed fiber-containing carbs are fairly healthy. I never said that oats are unhealthy or that carbs are unhealthy. I said that a meal without protein is not the best idea. My critique was not directed at a particular food item but at the meal composition as a whole. > I get protein in lunch and dinner, and I don't need my oatmeal breakfast to be protein heavy. TFA suggests to eat oatmeal for lunch. > Oatmeal…

> There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein

A more nuanced opinion from the Harvard Medical School:

"Can too much protein be harmful?

The short answer is yes. As with most things in life, there can be too much of a good thing and if you eat too much protein, there may be a price to pay. For example, people that eat very high protein diets have a higher risk of kidney stones. Also a high protein diet that contains lots of red meat and higher amounts of saturated fat might lead to a higher risk of heart disease and colon cancer, while another high protein diet rich in plant-based proteins may not carry similar risks." [0]

[0] https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-nutrition/when-it-co...

Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by dripdry45 »

zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #8
Morromist wrote: post #5

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I do roughly the same thing -Just oats with nuts and berries, no coffee or powder- but I haven't landed on what kind of oats to use yet for soaked oats. There are a ton of different kinds out there.

I usually just get the quick oats. I dunno the difference between em all. Texture doesn't really matter to me. Sometimes I like to put a banana in there or some blueberries.

Alton Brown did a great episode of good eats about oats. Basically, the faster they cook the fewer vitamins and minerals and good things there are in it for you

Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by dripdry45 »

vova_hn2 wrote: post #37
mikestew wrote: post #33

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That’s begging the question, you have to first establish the need for protein at every meal. And I’m not even going to begin to address that digression.

There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein and there are a lot of potential problems if you eat too little. Of course, you can carefully design other meals to be more protein-heavy, just because of your weird idea of a having an (almost)no-protein meal. But it is much easier to make it a habit to include at least one high protein food in every meal.

So there’s a kind of filter in your kidneys that handles protein. Over a lifetime that gets worn out. Once it is perforated by too much protein, or if there was a problem with it, very bad things start to happen.

Having too much protein, especially the amount pushed by certain industries here in the United States, is maybe not healthy, no.

Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by vova_hn2 »

gnabgib wrote: post #38
vova_hn2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein and there are a lot of potential problems if you eat too little. Of course, you can carefully design other meals to be more protein-heavy, just because of your weird idea of a having an (almost)no-protein meal. But it is much easier to make it a habit to include at least one high protein food in every meal.

Err.. what? Kidney damage, inflammation, constipation, bloating, nutrient deficiency, potential heart problems, kidney stones. There's lots of downside of eating too much protein. https://www.health.com/too-much-protein-side-effects-1189485...

You just googled or asked a chatbot to find you an article and haven't actually read it, have you?

#1 literally says

> For people with healthy kidneys, higher protein intake is generally safe.

#2 addresses the issues of some specific diets ("very-low-carb or ketogenic diets") that "may be low in fiber-rich carbohydrates". I did not advocate for "very-low-carb or ketogenic diets". Also, it doesn't say anything about potential harms of protein itself.

#3 "It Can Crowd Out Other Nutrients"

Again, no mention of supposed "harms of too much protein", only harms of "too little everything else". I never suggested to go crazy and stop eating other foods.

#4 deals with "type of protein" that "may be just as important as the amount of protein" and is irrelevant to your argument.

#5

> A very high-protein diet, particularly one high in animal foods, can increase the risk of kidney stones, especially for people with a history of these conditions or those who don’t drink enough water.

Well, just drink enough water then. Also, I was talking about generally healthy people. I am not qualified to discuss diet choices of people "with a history of these conditions".

#6 "Protein Bars and Powders Can Backfire"

I never suggested any of this. Also, this doesn't address supposed harms of protein itself, so it is irrelevant again.

Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by Blackthorn »

vova_hn2 wrote: post #28
John23832 wrote: post #25

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Oats are soluble fiber, which the vast majority of people are deficient in.

Okay, but it doesn't address the issue of having a whole meal with barely any protein.

2 servings of rolled oats: 300 calories, 10g protein. Barely any?

Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by mft_ »

Blackthorn wrote: post #24
mft_ wrote: post #17

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Quick oats are typically just rolled/cut to be smaller, so that they have a higher total surface area and so soak up liquid more easily. The downside is that this also makes them easier/faster to digest, so they have a higher glycaemic index (i.e. deliver a higher blood sugar spike) and give a shorter period of satiety. Rolled oats are the uncut variety, which don't cook quickly for convenient porridge, but are great…

"old fashioned" rolled oats are the standard afaict and I always cook them in 5 minutes

Interesting. Unless we have different standards for what constitutes a cooked oat, maybe we're talking about slightly different things? The full-size rolled oats (sometimes called 'robust') here in Germany are nowhere close to soft (and are still distinctly floating in the milk) after simmering for 20+ minutes. The alternative is also described as rolled oats (sometimes called 'tender') but are visually smaller; that's what cooks in 5-6 minutes.

Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by vova_hn2 »

gib444 wrote: post #41
vova_hn2 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unprocessed fiber-containing carbs are fairly healthy. I never said that oats are unhealthy or that carbs are unhealthy. I said that a meal without protein is not the best idea. My critique was not directed at a particular food item but at the meal composition as a whole. > I get protein in lunch and dinner, and I don't need my oatmeal breakfast to be protein heavy. TFA suggests to eat oatmeal for lunch. > Oatmeal…

> There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein A more nuanced opinion from the Harvard Medical School: "Can too much protein be harmful? The short answer is yes. As with most things in life, there can be too much of a good thing and if you eat too much protein, there may be a price to pay. For example, people that eat very high protein diets have a higher risk of kidney stones. Also a high protein diet…

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Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by actionfromafar »

claylimo wrote: post #39
OutOfHere wrote: post #20

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Use thicker oats. Do not add sugar or any sweet milk. Also, if you sprinkle ceylon cinnamon and fenugreek powders, the impact will be less. For more effect, I used to microwave it in black tea instead of water. Heating and then cooling oatmeal should allow it to form some resistant starch of type RS3. This will spike glucose a little less, but it causes much more gas. Other effective hacks are gymnema, berberine, thi…

I used oatmeal with water and it has always spiked - every body is different. How much less did it spike when you used fenugreek ? What other blood sugar spike hack do you use? Others that I know of — frozen bread changes starch, or extra virgin oil and almond butter are high in oleic acid so with the right amount it won’t spike as much

It should look something like this.

https://www.runningwithspoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06...

Or Quaker rolled oats, that's probably fine too.

Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by gnabgib »

vova_hn2 wrote: post #44
gnabgib wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Err.. what? Kidney damage, inflammation, constipation, bloating, nutrient deficiency, potential heart problems, kidney stones. There's lots of downside of eating too much protein. https://www.health.com/too-much-protein-side-effects-1189485...

You just googled or asked a chatbot to find you an article and haven't actually read it, have you? #1 literally says > For people with healthy kidneys, higher protein intake is generally safe. #2 addresses the issues of some specific diets ("very-low-carb or ketogenic diets") that "may be low in fiber-rich carbohydrates". I did not advocate for "very-low-carb or ketogenic diets". Also, it doesn't say anything about p…

No, I'm interested in nutrition, I backed up the risks with a link. Complex carbs and simple carbs are not the same (your original dismissal). Fiber is important for everyone, there's studies that show too little fiber is the cause of a lot of nutrition issues (possibly including IBS, which is a strange relation). Too much protein is not healthy and has risks (despite your unbacked claim). Protein rich unprocessed food is fine, it'll come with fiber.

Re: The underrated benefits of always having oatmeal at lunch

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Post by Blackthorn »

mft_ wrote: post #46
Blackthorn wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"old fashioned" rolled oats are the standard afaict and I always cook them in 5 minutes

Interesting. Unless we have different standards for what constitutes a cooked oat, maybe we're talking about slightly different things? The full-size rolled oats (sometimes called 'robust') here in Germany are nowhere close to soft (and are still distinctly floating in the milk) after simmering for 20+ minutes. The alternative is also described as rolled oats (sometimes called 'tender') but are visually smaller; that…

This must be different, the "old fashioned rolled oats" sold in America would be more than done after 20 minutes of simmering.

Going by Bob's Red Mill, which is an excellent brand, we've got: * Old Fashioned rolled oats, 10 minutes: https://www.bobsredmill.com/product/regular-rolled-oats [the store brand I always see, on the other hand, is 5 minutes]

* Steel cut oats, 15-20 minutes (this is a lie, it takes longer than 20 minutes for them to get sufficiently soft in my experience, for any steel cut oat brand): https://www.bobsredmill.com/product/steel-cut-oats

* Quick cooking rolled oats, 3 minutes (in my experience this is consistent across all store brands, down to 2 minutes): https://www.bobsredmill.com/product/organic-quick-cooking-ro...

They also have a second species of oats that are significantly higher in protein, and they take 15+ minutes to cook in "rolled oat" form, which from personal experience is accurate: https://www.bobsredmill.com/product/protein-oats

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