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Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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This is about urban Switzerland. Way out in the country, we still have crap copper up on poles, which maxes out at 25 Mbits. But yes, Swisscom (owners if the old crap copper) do have to let the competitors use it.

Yes, that is sadly still the case but the expansion of the fiber build out is now rapidly moving forward. By 2030 +90% will have fiber

https://www.swisscom.ch/en/about/news/2024/02/08-weniger-kup...

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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post #19

Init7 has on its blog another amazing write up https://blog.init7.net/en/die-glasfaserstreit-geschichte/

Congress passed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 in the US which demanded network unbundling, splitting up the fiber/connections versus the internet service, demanding wholesale rate access to infrastructure. It was good. Then the courts decided, meh, we just don't like it. We are going to tell the FCC otherwise. It all went away. The incumbent local carriers have now had monopoly power over huge swarths of the inf…

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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what a well written article.

makes me very much consider moving to Switzerland. I'd be happy with symmetric 5Gbit internet. Anything more would be overkill imo.

I hated working with ISPs in the states. Ever try cancelling Comcast? You literally get routed to a department whose sole reason for being is to talk you out of it.

I really like the idea, share the lines compete on execution.

One thing the article doesn't mention is in Germany the electricity and gas lines are more or less this approach. I can switch electricity providers like the article author can switch ISPs. It's a common practice to do so about 1x a year to take advantage of customer acquisition incentives.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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post #19

Init7 has on its blog another amazing write up https://blog.init7.net/en/die-glasfaserstreit-geschichte/

Congress passed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 in the US which demanded network unbundling, splitting up the fiber/connections versus the internet service, demanding wholesale rate access to infrastructure. It was good. Then the courts decided, meh, we just don't like it. We are going to tell the FCC otherwise. It all went away. The incumbent local carriers have now had monopoly power over huge swarths of the inf…

And this is almost certainly the direct cause of the Dot Com Bubble bursting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcv0600V5q4

We were bamboozled on a massive scale.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could just not generate extra images that aren't relevant to the article. I like the charts and diagrams even when they're AI, because they serve a purpose. But the extra images for flair or whatever are completely pointless and even annoying.

Ok thanks. I will keep that in mind for my next post.

Please ignore them, the images definitely helped understand the issue better. Don't anchor on a couple of grouchy hn posters.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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post #9

In my small island community, I participated in a municipal committee whose mandate was to bring proper broadband to the island. Although two telecom duopolies already served the community, one of them had undersea fiber but zero fiber to the home (DSL remains the only option), whereas the other used a 670 Mbps wireless microwave link for backhaul and delivery via coaxial cable. And pricing? Insanely expensive for ei…

It seems incorrect to call this competition. I'm glad you got your broadband but what happened sounds much more like American politics than ordinary market processes. And in this political environment, corporations can engage in a variety of other tactics than placating a squeaky wheel - they can outlaw competition, buy off officials, pay for shrill media hit pieces and so-forth.

It's clearly competition. The incumbent company saw a potential competitor and acted upon it. That's literally what happens when there's competition. It doesn't matter that the competitor didn't actually exist if the incumbent behaved as if it did exist.

I'm never sure what the point of comments like this is. "It seems incorrect". But it isn't. You just don't want to admit that competition is good and necessary.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Looks like a good article explaining some key concepts like natural monopoly. And yeah, the US model is to tout free enterprise to the skies but then have the state give control of a given market to a single or a couple of monopolists. The problem is the US has created a constituency of state-dependent small and large business people whose livelihood depends this contradictory free-enterprise ideology.

The ultimate irony being that these people are the most likely to vote against social safety nets. "No free lunches" and such.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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In my small island community, I participated in a municipal committee whose mandate was to bring proper broadband to the island. Although two telecom duopolies already served the community, one of them had undersea fiber but zero fiber to the home (DSL remains the only option), whereas the other used a 670 Mbps wireless microwave link for backhaul and delivery via coaxial cable. And pricing? Insanely expensive for ei…

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok thanks. I will keep that in mind for my next post.

Please ignore them, the images definitely helped understand the issue better. Don't anchor on a couple of grouchy hn posters.

Hey there were a lot more before the feedback, the irrelevant ones have been removed[0]. The remaining images in the article are good :)

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47652734

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