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That's a big part of my idea of a good web browser, as well.
Alas, you are not the average person.
What's a "great" browser for the average person, then? One that can't run good web apps properly?
BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
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Re: BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
#22Predictably there are a lot of haters on the thread, but can't we look at this as a good thing? A great browser won't be anywhere near enough to win, but a crappy browser is game over. I, for one, would like more competing platforms rather than fewer.
BlackBerry aren't even in the competition anymore. It's over for them.
I would buy one, and so would pretty much any company.
A vibrant developer community is a big minus for big companies with no need for custom software, because that means there will be people figuring out how to root the devices (and worms, ect). If blackberry fails in the consumer market, the commercial market will save it.
As for the consumer market, who doesn't love seeing new ways to do things? Andriod and Iphone are old and boring now, and Windows Phone 8 is not my cup of tea. (Oh, just remembered firefox OS. Is that a thing still?)
Re: BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
#23Predictably there are a lot of haters on the thread, but can't we look at this as a good thing? A great browser won't be anywhere near enough to win, but a crappy browser is game over. I, for one, would like more competing platforms rather than fewer.
They're hating because RIM* is claiming they have the best browser.
But it's all hot air, or more precisely, vaporware. It's not even on the market. And with RIM's track record, I'm not holding out for hope.
* By proxy of Techvibes, which appears to be one of those tech "journalism" outfits that writes articles per what their hiring vendors tell them to.
Re: BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
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Have you even tried developing for BB10? Converting a mobile webapp to BB10 to native app takes merely few hours. BB10 supports Phonegap out of the box (their dev tools have simulator for it). They have their own version of something very similar to Phonegap but a little richer. You can port any Phonegap app to BB10 and use their JS API's for deeper integration. BB10 is RIM betting on HTML5 for native apps as well. I…
In five years, native apps will be much better too. So it would require HTML5 apps to not only be better than native apps from now but also native apps from the future to be considered as cool. I dont think this a very good bet since in the end the browser itself is a native app!
This argument has been made in every generation of thin-client vs. fat-client technology for the past few decades. We still have both, and probably always will: each has its strengths.
Re: BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
#25Great! That means I can write my application for the web and I don't have to worry about directly addressing the BlackBerry platform.
Yes, that's true.
I assume you meant that sarcastically, as in "look how BlackBerry are killing off developer interest in their own platform"? Regardless of sarcasm or not, this is the best play RIM has - to use an existing platform and not rely on people developing specifically for them. That's the only hope for the underdog platforms (i.e., everyone except for Android and iOS).
Re: BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
#26This is ridiculous. Let's look at the iPhone for example. There are several browsers available, all which are highly compliant. I use Chrome, however, not because of its compliance, but because at the moment, it's the fastest, allows for more tabs, and just feels more fun to use. Blackberry will lose this game because they don't know how to do good UI. And this nonsense about working with Facebook is just laughable.
Re: BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
#27Predictably there are a lot of haters on the thread, but can't we look at this as a good thing? A great browser won't be anywhere near enough to win, but a crappy browser is game over. I, for one, would like more competing platforms rather than fewer.
They're hating because RIM * is claiming they have the best browser. But it's all hot air, or more precisely, vaporware. It's not even on the market. And with RIM's track record, I'm not holding out for hope. * By proxy of Techvibes, which appears to be one of those tech "journalism" outfits that writes articles per what their hiring vendors tell them to.
Well BB10 devices might not be for sale, but the browser has been shown off and it is part of the dev devices that developers got at BBJam in September. If you want to see a little preview of it in action checkout this preview video taken at BBJam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNTDUncA44 If you follow the link in the article to Matt's post on the RIM developer blog there are more articles on the browser and what it has: http://devblog.blackberry.com/2012/11/blackberry-10-browser-...
As mentioned in the video one of the neatest aspects of the browser is the fact that the chrome itself is written in HTML/JS. So the animations, transitions etc are all done by WebKit. The BlackBerry browser includes support for remote inspecting which meant not only could we host the chrome on our desktop while developing, but we could debug it from a WebKit browser on our desktop, all while it was running on the device. When you make a web application for BlackBerry10 it will be on top of the WebWorks platform which sits on top of the same HTML Runtime that the browser is using which aligned rim's interests to make sure that web applications work well.
For the curious a much more in depth look at the browser and how it was made was shown at this BlackBerryJam session: http://hosting.desire2learncapture.com/RIM/1/watch/50.aspx
Disclaimer: I am part of the WebKit team at RIM.
Re: BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
#28Predictably there are a lot of haters on the thread, but can't we look at this as a good thing? A great browser won't be anywhere near enough to win, but a crappy browser is game over. I, for one, would like more competing platforms rather than fewer.
As impressive as this sounds, what I want to know is whether I'll be able to use their super-standards-compliant browser as a WebView in a "hybrid" app without re-implementing arcane APIs.
They had a nice web browser in their Playbooks, but it was impossible to use if you wanted to provide an "app" to wrap your spiffy "HTML5" website.
Re: BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
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BlackBerry aren't even in the competition anymore. It's over for them.
I would buy one, and so would pretty much any company. A vibrant developer community is a big minus for big companies with no need for custom software, because that means there will be people figuring out how to root the devices (and worms, ect). If blackberry fails in the consumer market, the commercial market will save it. As for the consumer market, who doesn't love seeing new ways to do things? Andriod and Iphone…
> If blackberry fails in the consumer market, the commercial market will save it.
Why? Blackberry's grip on the corporate market was destroyed by execs coming to work with their iPhones and demanding that IT depts connect them to the corporate infrastructure.
Remember, IT works for the business - not the other way around.
Re: BlackBerry 10 is Going to Have the Best Web Browser of Any Mobile Platform
#30This is ridiculous. Let's look at the iPhone for example. There are several browsers available, all which are highly compliant. I use Chrome, however, not because of its compliance, but because at the moment, it's the fastest, allows for more tabs, and just feels more fun to use. Blackberry will lose this game because they don't know how to do good UI. And this nonsense about working with Facebook is just laughable.
There is only one browser available for the iPhone and several different "skins" for that browser.