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Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

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Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

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> Dead silence. One person suggested WPF. Another said WinUI 3. A third asked if they should just use Electron. The meeting went sideways and we never did answer the question. > That silence is the story. These LLMs are just awful at writing.

that part really didn’t make sense to me. This is true for all desktop platforms.

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

#12
As of today, I only use 2 solutions for Windows GUI :

- windows forms in .net

- flutter

All the rest always presents itself with a sheer aura of "It was a great idea but we couldn't finish it".

Without ever discussing with anyone from MS about it, I think they stopped improving/working on this because of electron.

Any web developer can build a good enough website and a good enough desktop app with electron.

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

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> Dead silence. One person suggested WPF. Another said WinUI 3. A third asked if they should just use Electron. The meeting went sideways and we never did answer the question. > That silence is the story. These LLMs are just awful at writing.

that part really didn’t make sense to me. This is true for all desktop platforms.

I agree, although I was talking about:

    Dead silence. Here's what 3 people said (the opposite of silence). Then the meeting went sideways (also the opposite of silence).

    The silence is the story.
WHAT SILENCE?

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

#14

Given how bad windows has become since windows 7, I’ve been wondering. Does Bill Gates still use Windows? Does he put up with the horribleness?

If he doesn't use Windows, you won't hear about it. And if you hear that he uses Windows, it might not be true. He loses nothing by denying it. If it worked for his friendship with Epstein, it will work here.

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Bill pretty much chilled out since he stepped down?

Yeah of course. He has nothing to do with Microsoft operations or strategy. But does he still use the products?

I couldn’t know, but generally speaking, older billionaires don’t typically interact with the world in the same way most of us do (well, those without a social media addiction anyway). The device is someone else’s problem.

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

#16

This barely mentions Windows Forms, which is the cleanest and fastest way to code Windows GUI apps. A few years ago, I wanted to prototype something quick and I wrote it in Windows Forms over C# (all code, no visual editor).

Winforms is a Win32 API wrapper, so on the same level as MFC, not a separate UI framework.

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

that part really didn’t make sense to me. This is true for all desktop platforms.

I agree, although I was talking about: Dead silence. Here's what 3 people said (the opposite of silence). Then the meeting went sideways (also the opposite of silence). The silence is the story. WHAT SILENCE?

He immediately said they never did make a decision, so probably that indecision.

Having said that, this article feels like AI slop to me. Couldn’t get through it.

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

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I'm not sure I can take such an article seriously if it doesn't mention that the WinRT/UWP/WinUI stack is also based on XAML, and that a fundamental design goal of WinRT was to let people use either C++ or C# according to taste.

Also, the AI smell in this article is just too much.

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

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Having spent some time kicking around the Delphi space I got quite into WPF in 2007ish. By 2010 I had not just sworn off it, I'd sworn off Windows entirely. The constant stream of rug-pulls as one bit of MS managed to pull off a political heist over another and - oh no - yet another "latest and greatest" technology was effectively deprecated within 18 months of launch, invalidating all the effort you put in to stayin…

If I'm writing Windows desktop GUIs I still stick to WPF. Might be Stockholm syndrome but I quite like it.

I don't see the reason to use any of the new ms ui frameworks. Especially if ms themselves don't even really use them.

As far as I know visual studio is still a WPF project so I'm not super worried about it no longer working.

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