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Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by foxglacier »

xoac wrote: post #169
remarkEon wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's actually a useful perspective at all. The poem is racial resentment repackaged as a means to guilt trip people into feeling bad about adventure, science, and exploration. Unless they were pretty well read at a young age, most millennials probably first experienced this poem in the film First Man, where it is read as a backdrop to Apollo 11 traveling to the moon. It's a great scene because the juxta…

> We can either hold ourselves back an an endless and futile journey on solving the human condition of poverty and inequality, or we can explore the stars. It's an easy choice. Wait... Are you suggesting that "exploring the stars" is less of an endless and futile journey than dealing with poverty and inequality?

Solving poverty and inequality is for the short term - they'll come back and need solving again no matter how many times you already solved them. But once the stars are explored, they stay explored forever. So yea, that's moving forwards and the other isn't.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by yread »

nasretdinov wrote: post #9

I like how most people's reactions at this point are "yeah, whatever", as if it's every day that humans observe the far side of the moon with a naked eye through a window :). We do know what it looks like and we have photos from the surface, yes, but seeing the reaction from real people who're actually there does hit different, at least for me

It's also not the first time humans are seeing the far side of the moon, Ronald Evans orbitted the Moon 75 times in the orbital module during Apollo 17 (and other ppl did before him), so he also saw it right? The only unique thing is that its the first mission where they dont really do anything more interesting than looking at the far side

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by juleiie »

pstuart wrote: post #145
juleiie wrote: post #122

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There is literally not many things in life I hope so much for than starship success. Sounds strange perhaps but I just love space and I hope it succeeds. Funnily I absolutely despise Musk at the same time for being absolute buffoon

We're days away from the SpaceX IPO that will make Musk even richer than he is now. I don't trust him with that money.

I trust his gargantuan insecurity

Sometimes the flaws of someone make him completely predictable. Very trustworthy to repeatedly pour billions in an attempt to become someone he fantasizes to be.

There are innumerable amount of assholes in history that sold things we use daily, sometimes at the expense of original inventors. It is hard to cope with the idea that greed, ambition and ruthlessness are the building blocks of everything that stands around us.

Sometimes it makes me want to reject everything I know of good and human and feed these traits until they fill the hollow parts of mind with wealth, empty fame and too many lonely sunsets on a private island.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by foxglacier »

b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #175
remarkEon wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's actually a useful perspective at all. The poem is racial resentment repackaged as a means to guilt trip people into feeling bad about adventure, science, and exploration. Unless they were pretty well read at a young age, most millennials probably first experienced this poem in the film First Man, where it is read as a backdrop to Apollo 11 traveling to the moon. It's a great scene because the juxta…

> We can either hold ourselves back an an endless and futile journey on solving the human condition of poverty and inequality, or we can explore the stars. It's an easy choice. "Sorry, poor people; but I want to live on Jupiter so you're just gonna have to starve to death". What a loser

Yea what other technological progress was only wanted by losers? Most of it, by your standard. Yet it's also technological progress that has reduced poverty. You don't care about the people of the future and want to keep them in poverty for the sake of the people of today. I wouldn't call you a loser for that but you do have bad morals.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by dotancohen »

jedberg wrote: post #167
dotancohen wrote: post #155

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I stated that the United States is based on Christian values. Not that the United States is a Christian state. Do you value separation of state and religious authority? Women's rights? Minority rights? Human dignity? Equality before the law? Sanctity of life? Individual moral responsibility? Monogamous marriage? The objective study of history? Fair trial? Witnesses at trial? Tolerance of alternative viewpoints? Those…

> I stated that the United States is based on Christian values. Not that the United States is a Christian state. And I said: > Christians do not own the idea of being nice to others and trusting others. But let's look at your list: > Do you value separation of state and religious authority? Women's rights? Minority rights? Human dignity? Equality before the law? Sanctity of life? Individual moral responsibility? Mono…

  > These are all just common decency, which is why they appear in most religions, and non-religions.
You and I both wish these decencies were common. Some cultures have some variations on some of these decencies, but they are not common. Assuming that they are common is projecting your culture onto others.

This is why I mentioned the importance of high trust society.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by tonymet »

md224 wrote: post #180

A fun way to track the mission is via NASA's Eyes on the Solar System visualizer: https://eyes.nasa.gov/apps/solar-system/#/sc_artemis_2

very cool visualization thanks for sharing. I was impressed at how smooth the rendering ran on my 5+ y/o iPad Air.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by telman17 »

thegrim33 wrote: post #172

It's pretty depressing that on a corner of the internet that's supposed to be a gathering of tech/geeks/nerds/stem people, discussing topics that "good hackers would find interesting", it's seemingly impossible to have a single thread about something like this that isn't almost entirely negative or political bickering.

These people existed in the Apollo era just not on a website. We weren't exactly living in a utopia then either and you'd have difficulty convincing some folks to be excited about space exploration then too.

Some people feel their outlook on the world takes precedence. And they'll shit in other people's celebrations to get their point across. Best to downvote or ignore them and embrace what nuance you can find.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

rationalist wrote: post #149
elteto wrote: post #127

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If DOGE served for anything at all it was for showing that there isn’t even that much “waste” per se. If there’s any waste it’s in the Pentagon which can’t even audit itself, but of course DOGE didn’t even get close to that. It was all performative for them.

I think they proved that the waste is not easily defined. I would call fraud, waste, but a computer program isn't likely to discover it without boots on the ground looking to see if the money is actually going where the records indicate.

The richest person in the world, who has had billions from government handouts, decided they were going to audit government spending.

Fraud doesn't even begin to describe it.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by dotancohen »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #178
dotancohen wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a Christian, but it was arguably the Christian value system which forged the government and institutions that made these achievements possible. Such progress happens only in high trust societies.

I suggest you look up the founding fathers' views on religion.

I was addressing values, not religion, but I seem to have touched a nerve. I'm not Christian, but I recognize that Christian values lead to high-trust society, leads to innovation in industry and science.

  > I suggest you look up the founding fathers' views on religion
Alright:

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports."

  - George Washington
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors."

  - George Washington
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

  - John Adams
"The Bible contains the most profound philosophy, the most perfect morality, and the most refined policy that ever was conceived upon Earth."

  - John Adams
"I hold the precepts of Jesus, as delivered by himself, to be the most pure, benevolent, and sublime which have ever been preached to man."

  - Thomas Jefferson
"Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever."

  - Thomas Jefferson

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by s5300 »

nasretdinov wrote: post #9

I like how most people's reactions at this point are "yeah, whatever", as if it's every day that humans observe the far side of the moon with a naked eye through a window :). We do know what it looks like and we have photos from the surface, yes, but seeing the reaction from real people who're actually there does hit different, at least for me

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