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Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by delecti »

pigpop wrote: post #137
delecti wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sure hope they don't. Even just the hint of connecting this achievement to the supposed Christian nature of the US would reinforce a lot of the bad things in the world right now. Namely, that we're actively at war in the middle east (Christianity and Judaism vs Islam), in a burgeoning cold war with China (more Christianity vs "godless" communists), and run by an increasingly fascistic administration (the ties betwe…

I'm more worried about Chinese fascism than the American kind.

China may be authoritarian (I would agree that they are), but they're not fascist. They're also a much smaller threat to anyone living in the US. I'm more worried about the jackbooted thugs on my own streets than the ones halfway around the world.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #111
baal80spam wrote: post #12

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I see what you mean, but I kind of understand the reaction: what does this change in 99.99% of people lives? Nothing at all. It's not necessarily ignorance.

I think in this case more than 0.1% feel a bit of inspiration in a time of darkness.

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Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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jedberg wrote: post #113
dotancohen wrote: post #90

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I am not a Christian, but it was arguably the Christian value system which forged the government and institutions that made these achievements possible. Such progress happens only in high trust societies.

> but it was arguably the Christian value system which forged the government and institutions that made these achievements possible. Many of the founders were specifically anti-Christian. They were deists, and believed in a higher power, but specifically rejected the idea of a divine intervention of God or Jesus. Christians do not own the idea of being nice to others and trusting others.

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Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by throwaway25231 »

pigpop wrote: post #137
delecti wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sure hope they don't. Even just the hint of connecting this achievement to the supposed Christian nature of the US would reinforce a lot of the bad things in the world right now. Namely, that we're actively at war in the middle east (Christianity and Judaism vs Islam), in a burgeoning cold war with China (more Christianity vs "godless" communists), and run by an increasingly fascistic administration (the ties betwe…

I'm more worried about Chinese fascism than the American kind.

Can you explain what "Chinese fascism" is? Not citizen of any super-power, but how can you be sure you're not fallen under some propaganda where you see "them" as being evil and not just some other-way-of-living?

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by dotancohen »

jedberg wrote: post #113
dotancohen wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a Christian, but it was arguably the Christian value system which forged the government and institutions that made these achievements possible. Such progress happens only in high trust societies.

> but it was arguably the Christian value system which forged the government and institutions that made these achievements possible. Many of the founders were specifically anti-Christian. They were deists, and believed in a higher power, but specifically rejected the idea of a divine intervention of God or Jesus. Christians do not own the idea of being nice to others and trusting others.

I stated that the United States is based on Christian values. Not that the United States is a Christian state.

Do you value separation of state and religious authority? Women's rights? Minority rights? Human dignity? Equality before the law? Sanctity of life? Individual moral responsibility? Monogamous marriage? The objective study of history? Fair trial? Witnesses at trial? Tolerance of alternative viewpoints?

Those are all Christian values. For what it's worth, I'm not Christian.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by harrall »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #67
nasretdinov wrote: post #9

I like how most people's reactions at this point are "yeah, whatever", as if it's every day that humans observe the far side of the moon with a naked eye through a window :). We do know what it looks like and we have photos from the surface, yes, but seeing the reaction from real people who're actually there does hit different, at least for me

I'm not being a hater, but we landed on the moon 55+ years ago and now we're doing a flyby with 35+ year-old engine tech. It's good that we're doing something but we should be doing better.

You’re not seeing better engines because there aren’t any. We are reaching the limits of physics.

That’s why we are working on alternatives like refueling in space or reusable ships.

The Artemis missions are testing things that we still have a lot of area to improve upon — materials (a huge one), international standards for things like docking ports, computing, radiation safety, and a lot more.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by dotancohen »

satvikpendem wrote: post #128
dotancohen wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a Christian, but it was arguably the Christian value system which forged the government and institutions that made these achievements possible. Such progress happens only in high trust societies.

The Renaissance and Enlightenment were anti-religious ideals, of the power of mankind over the gods.

Yes, exactly. Being anti-religion does not mean throwing away the entire value system.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by thomashabets2 »

skybrian wrote: post #13
nasretdinov wrote: post #9

I like how most people's reactions at this point are "yeah, whatever", as if it's every day that humans observe the far side of the moon with a naked eye through a window :). We do know what it looks like and we have photos from the surface, yes, but seeing the reaction from real people who're actually there does hit different, at least for me

It's great for them, but I'm not really into reaction videos. Pictures taken by space probes are just as good as far as I'm concerned.

It's not for the reason that the parent commenter said, and it's not the moon (yet), but you can't take photos like this with probes alone: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2026/apr/05...

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by mempko »

dotancohen wrote: post #90
delecti wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sure hope they don't. Even just the hint of connecting this achievement to the supposed Christian nature of the US would reinforce a lot of the bad things in the world right now. Namely, that we're actively at war in the middle east (Christianity and Judaism vs Islam), in a burgeoning cold war with China (more Christianity vs "godless" communists), and run by an increasingly fascistic administration (the ties betwe…

I am not a Christian, but it was arguably the Christian value system which forged the government and institutions that made these achievements possible. Such progress happens only in high trust societies.

Actually a lot of the enlightenment ideas (which our government is based on) came from native American critiques of European societies. Read The Dawn of Everything for the details.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by ceejayoz »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #112
hagbard_c wrote: post #51

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Yes, I remember that nihilistic piece of race rage bait and I remember it well. Now that 'non-whitey' is gliding past the moon and has shown he is past all that race-rage baiting by stating that [1] this is just — this is human history ... It’s the story of humanity — not black history, not women’s history I hope that the like of Scott-Heron and those who like to push this type of narrative are willing to finally tak…

Why are you so angry about a black person's perspective of what the moon landing meant to them? Rather than putting a nail in the coffin of the "systemic racism narrative", your post underlines how long we still have to go as a society to take black people's perspectives seriously, rather than simply denigrating them as "race bait."

Their HN profile is a bunch of complaints about being rate-limited for shitty takes. It's the norm.
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