That it's possible is fascinating, but what I really want to know is how it's done.
Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I too am able to get into this "visual state". I have started meditating a couple of years ago to better connect to my emotions and manage my ADHD and at one point I started seeing some colors (mostly yellow and green) and then a couple of months later it even became full-blown lucid states where I knew I am consciously awake, yet at the same time could view imager…
Brain scans reveal how to enters a psychedelic-like trance without drugs
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#12That it's possible is fascinating, but what I really want to know is how it's done.
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Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I too am able to get into this "visual state". I have started meditating a couple of years ago to better connect to my emotions and manage my ADHD and at one point I started seeing some colors (mostly yellow and green) and then a couple of months later it even became full-blown lucid states where I knew I am consciously awake, yet at the same time could view imager…
I did this as a teen but I wasn't trying to meditate. I just wanted to listen to my favourite albums without any distractions. Anyway, I'd almost always fall asleep. How do you stay awake?
But I think what psychologically helps is also doing this not in bed, if possible, because we have bed mostly associated with sleep.
But yes, it certainly requires some focus on not allowing oneself to sleep.
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#14That it's possible is fascinating, but what I really want to know is how it's done.
I don’t know whether it’s related to training yourself how to lucid dream, but once you can you may regret it as dreams stop working in the old way once you do. So be aware of that possibility before you go down that path.
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#15That it's possible is fascinating, but what I really want to know is how it's done.
2) Experiential approach through any activity (eg. Bhakti/Tantra/Hatha etc.) also called Laya Yoga (i.e. yoga of dissolution) where one "dissolves" one's identity (i.e. no experiencer nor object of experience) so only the pure experience remains. See the sections on Laya at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini_yoga and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatha_yoga
3) Book of Techniques; Vijñāna Bhairava Tantra - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vij%C3%B1%C4%81na_Bhairava_Tan...
4) For a simple method to get started and more details, see my comment chain here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41537499
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#16That it's possible is fascinating, but what I really want to know is how it's done.
1) Analytical approach from the Yoga Sutras ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Sutras_of_Patanjali ) - Pratyahara (withdrawal of the mind from the senses), Dharana (concentration/focus), Dhyana (meditation), Samadhi (absorption) . The key is the last three which are practiced together on some chosen object and is named Samyama . 2) Experiential approach through any activity (eg. Bhakti/Tantra/Hatha etc.) also calle…
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t know whether it’s related to training yourself how to lucid dream, but once you can you may regret it as dreams stop working in the old way once you do. So be aware of that possibility before you go down that path.
I'm sensing an interesting story. Care to elaborate?
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1) Analytical approach from the Yoga Sutras ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Sutras_of_Patanjali ) - Pratyahara (withdrawal of the mind from the senses), Dharana (concentration/focus), Dhyana (meditation), Samadhi (absorption) . The key is the last three which are practiced together on some chosen object and is named Samyama . 2) Experiential approach through any activity (eg. Bhakti/Tantra/Hatha etc.) also calle…
Are you completely confident that this is the same phenomenon that the women in the study is experiencing though?
There are a spectrum of "Consciousness States" which can be partitioned into two categories viz. 1) the three well-known ones i.e. Wakeful, Dreaming and Deep Sleep 2) All the others whether self-induced or externally-induced viz. chemically (eg. drugs/anesthesia), electromagnetically etc.
The model to use as a framework is that of "Raising the Kundalini" (from Muladhara chakra to Sahasrara chakra) which you can assume for now to be an allegory for moving through a trajectory of consciousness states from "normal" to "supra-normal" (can only be experienced and cannot be precisely defined). The major "stages" in this path are at the Chakras which are precisely defined with geometrical patterns, visual imagery, internal sensations similar to vibrations produced by different sounds; viz. specific coloured luminous figures (aka deities), polygons with different 3/4/5/6/etc sides (aka lotuses with different no. of petals), sound vibrations mapped to syllables in the Sanskrit language etc.
The experience(s) of the woman described in the article (assuming it is legit) checks many of the above viz. "She described experiencing vivid internal imagery, alteration of her body schema, changes in agency, and a deep sense of unity", "it begins with intricate geometric and luminous imagery and culminates in a lucid, expansive state of unity and serenity", "she reported the emergence of a violet coloration replacing her dark visual field, followed by the gradual appearance of a yellow-violet hexagonal lattice that she perceived as a structured pattern floating “in the air” around her", "The hexagonal network coupled with rhythmic violet pulses remained the most stable phenomenological motif across all 20 sessions."
My only scepticism is that the article reads "a little too pat" (i have yet to read the original paper) and makes everything seem a "done deal" (i.e. known) in a domain where inherently there can be no objectivity. For example; while the brain imaging shows a specific set of activities (i.e. objective) their correlation to a specific description is based solely on the woman's self-reporting (i.e. subjective).
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#20Not a single sentence as to how she is doing that? I am not doubting her,I would just like to know