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Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

gmerc wrote: post #55
cebert wrote: post #30

I am shocked that there isn’t more opposition from the general public to policies like this that erode privacy and freedom. I am a parent and can appreciate the need to control what children do on the internet, but at some point parents need to parent. I fear we’re giving up a lot of freedom and adding unneeded complexity under the guise of keeping children safe.

Germany is distracted with its version of “the gun debate” aka speed limits. Like every school shooting, every energy crisis brings opportunity to saturate the airwaves with shallow noise that gets people overly upset and they’ll ignore everything else. Every player on both sides is abusing this mechanic for all eternity.

> every energy crisis brings opportunity to saturate the airwaves with shallow noise that gets people overly upset and they’ll ignore everything else.

At least their version has an obvious solution: Make electric cars and solar panels and then stop having oil problems.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by testing22321 »

isolatedsystem wrote: post #75
testing22321 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percentage of people have a phone that is not apple or google?

I think the point is rather what percentage of people will continue to need to have a phone that is Apple or Google, due to death by a million decisions like these.

Well the comment above was expressing disbelief that more people are not up in arms about this.

When you realize the tiny tiny percentage of people that have a phone that is not apple or google, you understand why few people are up in arms.

It simply doesn’t affect many people.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by OgsyedIE »

comex wrote: post #51
iamnothere wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If an account is required, then yes. Good catch. This may not be unwelcome for authorities considering the recent extrajudicial “unpersoning” of many political enemies in the EU.

It definitely would be unwelcome for EU authorities in cases like the recent US sanctions against ICC officials.

Not to mention the German debanking and account closing of a few middle eastern journalists living in Germany, their spouses and in one case their children.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

hhh wrote: post #76
baxtr wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think because most people, even tech savvy ones don’t understand how this might effect their lives. It’s too abstract. At least how it’s portrayed here. Contrast that with chat control. My government can read my WhatsApp messages? Not good! What’s the non-technical narrative here?

Well, it affects a tiny percentage of people today, so why would they see it as impacting them?

Do people in Europe not intuitively understand that willingly making yourself [more] dependent on a foreign corporation is disadvantageous to you?

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by lukan »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #81
gmerc wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany is distracted with its version of “the gun debate” aka speed limits. Like every school shooting, every energy crisis brings opportunity to saturate the airwaves with shallow noise that gets people overly upset and they’ll ignore everything else. Every player on both sides is abusing this mechanic for all eternity.

> every energy crisis brings opportunity to saturate the airwaves with shallow noise that gets people overly upset and they’ll ignore everything else. At least their version has an obvious solution: Make electric cars and solar panels and then stop having oil problems.

The speeding debate won't go away with this, though, as speeding is not about oil.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

testing22321 wrote: post #82
isolatedsystem wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is rather what percentage of people will continue to need to have a phone that is Apple or Google, due to death by a million decisions like these.

Well the comment above was expressing disbelief that more people are not up in arms about this. When you realize the tiny tiny percentage of people that have a phone that is not apple or google, you understand why few people are up in arms. It simply doesn’t affect many people.

This feels like arguing that people wouldn't object to having a shock collar padlocked around their neck because it's not currently shocking them. You don't have to see very many moves ahead to guess what happens if you don't object.

Whereas if the collar is touted as fashionable and the lock is hidden until it's engaged, now your problem is not that people don't care, it's that they don't know, which is different.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by seba_dos1 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #70
AlBugdy wrote: post #25

All these requirements for specific hardware and software are ridiculous. Let every citizen use whatever computer they want. It should be up to the user to secure themselves. Authentication should only require a password or a key pair. If the user wants more security, they can set up TOTP or buy a security dongle or something. It's also ridiculous how it seems we've forgotten computers other than smartphones exist an…

> let every citizen use whatever computer they want. That's just not possible, or should the system be legally required to run on an Apple II?

It should be legally required to provide enough interoperation capabilities for a compatible frontend to be written for an Apple II by whoever would like to do that, as the government can't be expected to write and maintain clients for every platform that's now in existence or that will be created in future.

If only currently popular platforms are to be supported, how could a new platform join them in the future if the use of existing ones is mandated by governments?

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by atanasi »

AlBugdy wrote: post #25

All these requirements for specific hardware and software are ridiculous. Let every citizen use whatever computer they want. It should be up to the user to secure themselves. Authentication should only require a password or a key pair. If the user wants more security, they can set up TOTP or buy a security dongle or something. It's also ridiculous how it seems we've forgotten computers other than smartphones exist an…

The current policy trend in the EU is definitely not based on the principle of each user evaluating their own risk. On the contrary, service providers like financial institutes and identity providers have the responsibility to keep users safe, and more and more regulation will be made. The natural consequence is restricting which platforms are supported.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

lukan wrote: post #85
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every energy crisis brings opportunity to saturate the airwaves with shallow noise that gets people overly upset and they’ll ignore everything else. At least their version has an obvious solution: Make electric cars and solar panels and then stop having oil problems.

The speeding debate won't go away with this, though, as speeding is not about oil.

You still can't get people upset about gas prices every time there isn't peace in the middle east once they stop buying gas.

Re: German implementation of eIDAS will require an Apple/Google account to function

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Post by wolfi1 »

I'm not quite sure if the German implementation is possible without mobile devices (couldn't find anything on that at first glance). the Austrian implementation on the other hand does not require a mobile device, if you want to do it on a pc you just need a fido2 token
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