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Shooting down ideas is not a skill

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Re: Shooting down ideas is not a skill

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post #16

It's definitely a skill. Perverting the organization into a support ecosystem for naysayers is not a trivial thing. It often takes years of meticulous, behind-the-scenes manipulation before these people can begin to reliably suppress ideas without getting called out.

> Perverting the organization into a support ecosystem for naysayers is not a trivial thing.

Nor is establishing an "all ideas are good ones!" culture.

Re: Shooting down ideas is not a skill

#23

Sure kid, go play with that footgun uh no. The best way (IMO) is "Look, I've tried that idea and X happened, you might have better luck, but be aware"

Is that a skill or communicating experience? I have a hard time trying to identify when my criticisms are a sort of technique that can be developed. Ofc, even my criticisms can be ill-founded.

Re: Shooting down ideas is not a skill

#24

Sure kid, go play with that footgun uh no. The best way (IMO) is "Look, I've tried that idea and X happened, you might have better luck, but be aware"

Is that a skill or communicating experience? I have a hard time trying to identify when my criticisms are a sort of technique that can be developed. Ofc, even my criticisms can be ill-founded.

> Is that a skill or communicating experience?

uhhh, how is communicating experience not a skill?

Re: Shooting down ideas is not a skill

#25
post #8

With all due respect, if the idea is good, then it will happen. The proposer of the idea needs to nurture it and part of that is defending it. When someone is super optimistic and comes forward with an idea where: - it's actually just a half baked solution for something I already tried to solve 4 years ago - I'm acutely aware of all the spots it will fall - they still think it can work, when it really really honestly…

>With all due respect, if the idea is good, then it will happen

If this is true, companies wouldn't fail all the time.

Re: Shooting down ideas is not a skill

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post #25
post #8

With all due respect, if the idea is good, then it will happen. The proposer of the idea needs to nurture it and part of that is defending it. When someone is super optimistic and comes forward with an idea where: - it's actually just a half baked solution for something I already tried to solve 4 years ago - I'm acutely aware of all the spots it will fall - they still think it can work, when it really really honestly…

>With all due respect, if the idea is good, then it will happen If this is true, companies wouldn't fail all the time .

Many good ideas have multiple failed attempts wrt implementation.

Eg: if we accept that transcontinental rail spanning the USofA was a good idea, then it can be seen that several wanna be railroad barons fell by the wayside.

Re: Shooting down ideas is not a skill

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post #8

With all due respect, if the idea is good, then it will happen. The proposer of the idea needs to nurture it and part of that is defending it. When someone is super optimistic and comes forward with an idea where: - it's actually just a half baked solution for something I already tried to solve 4 years ago - I'm acutely aware of all the spots it will fall - they still think it can work, when it really really honestly…

Sometimes, the only way to get the negative aspects of an idea across to someone with a bright look in their eye is to stand back and let them do it.

Let them fail.

And then, when they run face-first into that brick wall (exactly as predicted), don't point and laugh and say "I told you so!"

Instead, help them to their feet and to get dusted off. You can then share stories of your mutual, independent failures over a beer or something.

(And the next time? You still don't have to tell them that the idea is a dead-end; if they're smart, they'll ask you questions before they burst out in a sprint.)

Re: Shooting down ideas is not a skill

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post #8

With all due respect, if the idea is good, then it will happen. The proposer of the idea needs to nurture it and part of that is defending it. When someone is super optimistic and comes forward with an idea where: - it's actually just a half baked solution for something I already tried to solve 4 years ago - I'm acutely aware of all the spots it will fall - they still think it can work, when it really really honestly…

> With all due respect, if the idea is good, then it will happen

Working in a corporate environment, I have not found this to be the case. Good ideas get nowhere without buy-in

Re: Shooting down ideas is not a skill

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post #8

With all due respect, if the idea is good, then it will happen. The proposer of the idea needs to nurture it and part of that is defending it. When someone is super optimistic and comes forward with an idea where: - it's actually just a half baked solution for something I already tried to solve 4 years ago - I'm acutely aware of all the spots it will fall - they still think it can work, when it really really honestly…

Most of the startups were flawed ideas according to vast majority, this is why success is rare.

You cannot know which solution will succeed, there are many stupid solutions with commerical success while many brilliant solutions without success.

Thinking you can guess what is going to succeed or not going to succeed is dunning kruger.

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