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Student Debt Burdened Them, So They Moved Abroad and Stopped Paying

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Who wouldn't want to rack up a bunch of debt and just not pay when the bill came due?

Companies do this all the time, then declare bankruptcy and move on.

Totally agree - there's a lot of double standards here:

Bankruptcy is good for entrepreneurial risk, but not for human thriving apparently...

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Who wouldn't want to rack up a bunch of debt and just not pay when the bill came due?

Many people seem to have been successfully brainwashed into moralizing debt but only for 19 year old serfs who have been lied to about the value of the asset they're taking out debt for. If its a corporation transferring 20 billion of debt into a leveraged buy out so they can shut down the company after squeezing all the assets out of it, that's just doing business.

Exactly! I like the analogy of:

When the bank is giving you a sub-prime loan, who is more sophisticated in that transaction?

If the bank (with their fancy risk models, etc.), why shouldn't they be the party to take the bulk of that risk?

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She's from Colorado and decided to go to an out of state university (Oregon) and pay full out of state tuition for a degree in "historic preservation"? Yeah no shit you just signed up for a lifetime of debt. Reminds me of another story of some lady that got saddled with a couple hundred thousand in debt because she really wanted to go to Duke for a theater management degree. And then fled with her Russian fiance to M…

Get a tech degree, or be a loser forever!

But only from a university that has a top "Prompting" school. Otherwise your degree is worthless!

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I'm Canadian, but I know someone from the US who did this. She's living in Paris, moderately successful in academia and as far as I can tell, completely happy to never return to the US. Her family goes to visit her in Europe once in a while. Perplexing.

> moderately successful in academia and as far as I can tell Why not pay your debts then? I totally understand debt forgiveness for extenuating circumstances (and imo, it's a crime that student loan debt can't be forgiven, and the interest rates are often predatory—especially in the case of med school and law school), but this just sounds like stealing with extra steps.

I may be wrong but I read “moderately successful in academia” as meaning: they have succeeded in gaining some social capital but make little money

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People in The Netherlands have done this. They go to S/E Asian countries to skip out on a €30,000 debt. After a while your passport becomes invalid which makes travel very difficult. And with the outstanding debt you are not able to get a new passport.

Which is dumb, because you only have to pay off the debt if you are able to, interest rate is very low, you can pause it for a few years and after 35 years the loan is automatically forgiven. It's not a big deal. Completely uprooting your life to skip out on a €50/month payment is insanity but people see that €30,000 number in their portal and freak out about it.

Approximately 25,000 emigrated debtors are currently untraceable by the student debt collector.

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I'm Canadian, but I know someone from the US who did this. She's living in Paris, moderately successful in academia and as far as I can tell, completely happy to never return to the US. Her family goes to visit her in Europe once in a while. Perplexing.

Which part perplexes you?

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Who wouldn't want to rack up a bunch of debt and just not pay when the bill came due?

Many people seem to have been successfully brainwashed into moralizing debt but only for 19 year old serfs who have been lied to about the value of the asset they're taking out debt for. If its a corporation transferring 20 billion of debt into a leveraged buy out so they can shut down the company after squeezing all the assets out of it, that's just doing business.

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She's from Colorado and decided to go to an out of state university (Oregon) and pay full out of state tuition for a degree in "historic preservation"? Yeah no shit you just signed up for a lifetime of debt. Reminds me of another story of some lady that got saddled with a couple hundred thousand in debt because she really wanted to go to Duke for a theater management degree. And then fled with her Russian fiance to M…

Perhaps we should encourage people to learn things other than what best services ad tech billionaires.

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I'm Canadian, but I know someone from the US who did this. She's living in Paris, moderately successful in academia and as far as I can tell, completely happy to never return to the US. Her family goes to visit her in Europe once in a while. Perplexing.

> moderately successful in academia and as far as I can tell Why not pay your debts then? I totally understand debt forgiveness for extenuating circumstances (and imo, it's a crime that student loan debt can't be forgiven, and the interest rates are often predatory—especially in the case of med school and law school), but this just sounds like stealing with extra steps.

One of the people in the article was supposed to pay $60/month for 20 years. That seems manageable for pretty much anyone but the article cites "psychological issues" or whatever
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