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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by stevenwoo »

eek2121 wrote: post #579

I see a ton of bickering, however, I simply have to ask the question: how can anyone justify the United States of America and Israel attacking ANY country? It isn't our job, nor is it Israel's, to try and be the world police. People are dying, and because of a certain corpse-to-be controlling MY country, the world is beginning to suffer and it is going to get so much worse. Some economists are saying gas rationing wi…

All reporting I’ve seen on Israel mention destruction of Iran as long time dream of Bibi and it distracts from his legal and political troubles and unites country behind him - war has 90 plus percent approval among Jews and about 25 percent among Arabs who don’t vote for his coalition anyways, so political win for him. For modern GOP, “the cruelty is the point” can be used to explain most of his policy decisions, the book and original essay make the argument that making “others” suffer is uniting factor for GOP since Trump took the reins (in spite of many conflicting reasons Rubio, Trump and Hegseth have given to justify this war including setting stage for apocalypse foretold in Revelations to please fundamentalist Christian voter bloc) Many GOP voters have backed Trump in interviews even after being hurt by his tariff regime, immigration crackdowns, DOGE cutbacks, threats to annex territory, the only thing that appears to move the needle a little in GOP approval has been the recent run up in gasoline prices. One case in point - Farmers got hurt in first term by Trump tariffs, overwhelming supported Trump three elections in a row, and after second term tariffs hurt them, still support Trump, one would think if one farmer said I’m off the Trump train that reporters would be all over it. There is no rational thought process going on here beyond first order effects.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by shin_lao »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #888
shin_lao wrote: post #887

Earlier quoted context omitted.

46 airplanes were shot down during the second Iraqi war, and there has been over 150 total aviation losses (mechanical failure). So far we have lost seven airplanes. There's no deep meaning behind one F-15e being shot down (if that's what happened): it's not a stealth aircraft and it's not heavily armored.

I'm not up on news, do we know what shot it down? Everyone loves missiles, but could it have been guns? Was it flying low? Remember when some helicopters were being shot down by RPG's and everyone was like 'whooo, no way, that can't be, they aren't accurate enough".

You are correct, we don't know much. Could also have been a failure.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by hirako2000 »

lejalv wrote: post #734

So how is this not flagged, whereas this other post lasted literally minutes before being flagged? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47612053 75000+ palestinians killed, arguably one of the defining crimes of our age are not worth HN discussion (“politics”) but one F15E shot down in a war of choice is (apparently, “tech”)?

Being the most technologically advanced aircraft in history, one could argue that's a tech novelty they got shut down by some obliterated, imprecise weaponry.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by hirako2000 »

nkbjgvnm wrote: post #845
pwarner wrote: post #59

I hope the aviators are OK, and also hope whoever they were bombing are also OK. I do wonder if Iran finds them first, will they treat them better than the US treated survivors of the ship sunk by a US torpedo in the Indiana Ocean?

I find it hard to have any sympathy for the American pilots that are dropping bombs on schoolgirls.

I don't believe the U.S military was involved with that school massacre. Reports have it that it was some Israeli missile. The U.S would sell weapons knowing full well it could happen but would never (knowingly) do such a thing.

All that said, not sure there should be any sympathy for soldiers bombing any country on the pretext of some "preventive" war.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by hirako2000 »

tejohnso wrote: post #568

Impossible. Iran's army was already demolished weeks ago, and there's "nothing left". What did they take it down with, bb guns?

Same as what happened to that Ford aircraft carrier, some fire incident in the kitchen that was. I doubt aircrafts have a kitchen yet, but toilets could catch fire, right ?

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by hirako2000 »

angry_octet wrote: post #826
thatsfunnylol wrote: post #724

The Hormuz issue proves that the west never had an ability to economically sanction Iran, au contraire Iran can actually sanction us - and they are. This is what real sanctions look like. The west broke the deal, attacked like terrorists, and are now being sanctioned.

That's not what a sanction is. Iran has been subjected to sanctions for a number of decades.

Which they will remember. The lumped west may now get sanctioned for the decades to come.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by itsthecourier »

cenamus wrote: post #825
lejalv wrote: post #734

So how is this not flagged, whereas this other post lasted literally minutes before being flagged? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47612053 75000+ palestinians killed, arguably one of the defining crimes of our age are not worth HN discussion (“politics”) but one F15E shot down in a war of choice is (apparently, “tech”)?

You don't see anything about Russias invasion either. 1.5 million casualties and counting.

that's exactly my perspective on it. it's not about the ukranian, sudanese, Syrian, Irani or Yemeni.

those lives seem to be way less worthy of press judging for the coverage the left want to put in Palestinian people.

it doesn't follow the principle of equal value on lives but a political agenda and mountains of useful trend followers

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by echoangle »

netsharc wrote: post #135
ceejayoz wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Update: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/us-fighter-jet-went-ir... > An F-15 fighter jet pilot has been rescued alive by the U.S. military after their aircraft went down over Iran, a U.S. official said Friday. > White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said President Donald Trump had been briefed on the incident — the latest dramatic development in the war, now more than a month old. CENTCOM lied.

The use of "a" instead of "the" pilot suggests more than 1 personnel on the plane, considering F15's carry 2 people (unless it's some magical F15 I haven't heard of), it means there's still 1 guy missing out there. Or he (I assume) could also have been found dead, and is not being mentioned before his family is notified of the sacrifice Donald Trump made of his life.

F-15 A and C are single seaters. C is actually the most common variant the USAF has.

The one shot down was an E though so two people.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by seertaak »

solid_fuel wrote: post #491
karp773 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Downvoters, care to explain? Seriously, it's been sitting on this for entire month and now, all of a sudden, rolled out antiaircraft defense? What's going on?

If you want a real explanation, this is how defensive wars against an overwhelming opponent are fought. Iran knows that they can't build an iron-clad air defense perimeter, there still isn't a reliable answer against stealth aircraft and cruise missiles. They never had a chance of shooting down every plane that enters their airspace, and that isn't their goal . Instead, they will fight this war by absorbing blow afte…

I guess it's possible that Russia and/or China delivered some hardware to the Iranians. Doesn't seem far fetched given the low international support for this "excursion". Both countries benefit from a US quagmire.
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