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he what? this is on the record?
For what it's worth, he probably didn't know what he was saying. (slop has been around longer than LLMs)
What is this worth?
F-15E jet shot down over Iran
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#762Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are 4 players in this war and they all have very different goals and "victory" conditions. 1. Israel wants to ruin Iran permanently, to turn it into Somalia 2.0, meaning a quasi-state with no organized, central government. Were they to succeed in this it would be a humantarian disaster the likes of which we haven't seen since probably WW2. Tens of millions of refugees that will probably collapse surrounding cou…
> Iran no longer trusts the US as a good faith actor and negotiator Iran ("the regime") was never a good faith actor or negotiator. Their position was something like "we won't develop nuclear weapons as long as we have free reign to torture our own citizens and fund violent groups that destabilize regional governments". And still marched on enriching uranium anyway. There's nothing to trust on either side. This war w…
In this context good faith means not saying you're here to negotiate only to stall for time while you're secretly planning to invade the other country in the background, which is exactly what the US did. So Iran has no reason to take US "negotiations" seriously ever again.
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It is pretty obvious that the current war was started by Israel and USA. I somewhat understand Israel's agenda and objective, even if evil and selfish depending on the point of view (or selfish, for Netanyahu to avoid legal scrutiny while acting as prime minister). I don't understand the USA attacking here at all. With rising prices I think Trump should pay compensation to the rest of the world for his decision here.…
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> The white house staff have been pretty clear and consistent in the reasons.
They absolutely have not! What are you talking about?
Also, I thought Iran nuclear program has already been "obliterated" last year?
Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran
#764During the entire gulf war (Iraq, 1990-91), only two F-15s were shot down via surface-to-air engagement. At the time, Baghdad was known to have the highest density of SAM protection out of any city in the world. An F-15 being shot down in Iran after weeks of strategic bombing of their anti-air defense systems is not a good sign.
I don't think it's that surprising. Look at Ukraine with Western military aid/sig-int.
The US has decided to step into Russia's shoes in Iran for reasons and I would be shocked if Russia/China aren't also providing similar aid for Iran.
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> emergency landing https://preview.redd.it/f35-i-shot-down-in-iran-v0-0gdyroc4o... . I think it's ok to say that it crashed into the ground but the pilot survived. With 'emergency landing' people assume it was just a rough landing whereas the plane here is completely and utterly broken.
Source of that image though.. ?
An AI prompt in June 2025.
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Considering the number of friendly fire incidents these moronic planes cause, Iran would probably be better off leaving them be.
All CAS can cause friendly fire, but that doesn't remove the need for CAS. The A-10 flies slower and closer than our fighter jets which means they have more time to assess the situation before taking action.
The A-10 will be cited in every future American CAS program as the reason FLIR is built-in. Deserved or not, the aircraft earned it's reputation.
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> An F-15 being shot down in Iran after weeks of strategic bombing of their anti-air defense systems is not a good sign. Not to dispute that but what about the comparison makes it not a good sign? Iran has much more capable radar and missiles now than Iraq did 35 years ago, doesn't it?
The success of the war depends on the approval ratings of the US president which will almost certainly take hits when US military takes hits so the US citizens seeing the US military taking hits at a higher rate than relatively recent wars in the area is a bad sign for "winning" whatever "winning" means here.
That doesn't address my question though.
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Let’s see. Most people underestimate how strong Trump’s approval is with his base. Before you read further, ask yourself what Trump’s approval rating is with his base. > Approval of Trump among Republicans has slipped to a second-term low of 84%, down from 92% last March. At the same time, an all-time high 16% of Republicans disapprove. This shift can be attributed, at least in part, to declining support among non-MA…
Genuine question: is Fox News a credible, unbiased source for these figures in particular?
Their poll is, and this is not the only poll I picked. CNN has multiple polls listed on its site, and this is the first I found which gives the party breakdown.
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Sure. But looking at all of the downed Israeli crafts, they are all $2-5m drones (all 18 of them). For perspective: Patriot missiles cost $4m each.
The two(2) H450s are in that unit cost range. The others and the Heron variants range to $40 million. A not insignificant number of Iranian aircraft(such as the US-produced F-5s and C-130s acquired before 1979's Revolution) are low unit costs comparably to the UAVs("drones") lost here. Attrition compared to US materiel(not material - although that too greatly burdens cost to the US) depletion such as the aforemention…
I wasn't comparing to Iran, I was just saying that putting an F-35 and a $2m drone on the same list and same count was funny.
As for the $40m number: I also saw this number, but I don't think it's correct. E.g. Germany recently bought 140 of them for $165m. Ref: https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/defense/1649255166-ger...
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#770Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are 4 players in this war and they all have very different goals and "victory" conditions. 1. Israel wants to ruin Iran permanently, to turn it into Somalia 2.0, meaning a quasi-state with no organized, central government. Were they to succeed in this it would be a humantarian disaster the likes of which we haven't seen since probably WW2. Tens of millions of refugees that will probably collapse surrounding cou…
> The Gulf States just want to maintain the pre-war status quo. Saudi Arabia in particular just wanted to contain Iran. They're less vulnerable to the Strait being closed but it's still a problem politically as the US and Israel are bombing other Muslims. The Gulf states are learning the the US security guarantee ain't worth shit but they can't break away from being US client states with their own unpopular regimes p…
UAE wants that because their leaders are highly Israel aligned. Saudi Arabia is a lot more pragmatic, they take their role as the "leader" of the Islamic world pretty seriously.