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The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by georgemcbay »

tayo42 wrote: post #32
Herring wrote: post #28

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

Confusing, the right are the ones advocating for cutting these things?

> Confusing, the right are the ones advocating for cutting these things?

This is where the racism comes in. As long as you believe that the social safety net cuts are disproportionally hurting the "other" more than you, you have plenty of space for the cognitive dissonance required to support the cuts even when they are negatively impacting your own situation.

Combine this with the fact that the right has two tiers, one of them made up of wealthy asset owners who politically push for the changes (and benefit from them in the form of extremely low taxes) and the second made up of working class people who can be convinced the changes are good as long it allows them to think those they see as below them will suffer more than they will.

Get yourself a nice feedback loop going in the form of hurting the poor, convincing them the source of their oppression is the "other" to get them to support even more austerity, repeat and you can explain a lot about the politics of much of rural America.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by Terr_ »

godelski wrote: post #33
jddecker wrote: post #12

How does this work if they are not clearly defined on a map? Usually TFRs are shown on drone maps so you know where you can fly. If I am flying my drone and an unmarked ICE vehicle drives within half a mile am I in trouble?

It sure would be nice of them to do that! I can't wait to see this tested in court. While IANAL the EFF sure has lawyers and their argument seems petty sound. Really this just seems like a waste of government money. They can shoot down drones and arrest people but those people will get court cases and they'll win and the gov will (and has) have you pay out fines. I'm not a fan of paying people to harass others...

> I can't wait to see this tested in court.

Today, yes, but if the fascist cancer is around for too long, more and more judges will be its appointed tools.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by gruez »

dragonwriter wrote: post #38
gruez wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Effective The problem with political violence is that the other side will do the same thing, and you end up with an IRA situation where the country descends into sectarian violence.

The problem with refraining from political violence where it is warranted is that the other side will do it anyway and you end up dead.

>is that the other side will do it anyway and you end up dead.

Preemptive first strike logic[1] aside. This logic doesn't work because political violence never gets out of hand so fast that an entire political movement can be wiped out. On the other hand by starting/advocating for political violence you're almost certainly going to get the descent into sectarian violence before you can wipe out all the "fascists".

[1] Iran, anyone?

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by gruez »

ceejayoz wrote: post #37
gruez wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Effective The problem with political violence is that the other side will do the same thing, and you end up with an IRA situation where the country descends into sectarian violence.

The IRA situation had a slightly lower bodycount than the not-throwing-1930s-fascists-into-the-sea one, did it not?

How many people died under the Bolsheviks, or the Communists in China?

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by Terr_ »

Herring wrote: post #28

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

I think a lot of the people behind the rise of fascism are ones who experience "status anxiety" as a constant baseline. Actual safety through a government of laws will never appease them.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by andrewjf »

Herring wrote: post #39
tayo42 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Confusing, the right are the ones advocating for cutting these things?

Ask a lot of software engineers what they think about European-style salaries and taxes to pay for a welfare state.

I would be very happy to do so if we had working infrastructure, education, and health care not coupled to the generosity of your employer.

Isn’t it the case anyway that if you add state, federal, local, property, capital gains, and sales taxes, add the money that you and your employer pays for healthcare, that you’re basically paying slightly more in taxes all-in?

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by Terr_ »

iwontberude wrote: post #23
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #10

In general the Trump administration is the most emergency based folks on the planet. If it's not for emergency reasons, it's for national security reasons. None of it is explained or backed. They just take the hallpass and fuck off to do whatever the hell they like. Axios had good coverage of this. https://www.axios.com/2025/04/18/trump-national-emergency-de... Brazen mis-governance. I think it's particularly insulti…

Thanks for the links. Hopefully things get bad enough people actually take control of government again. I personally used to scoff at CalExit but now seeing how easy it is for a government to abuse you from a distance, I would much prefer Sacramento the ultimate seat of power for my community, family and interests.

A marginally less-extreme option would be to start subdividing larger states.

The Constitution does not permit amendments to change the "equal" representation of states in the Senate, but we can even the playing field by making it easy for large states to subdivide for the benefit of the people.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by Analemma_ »

godelski wrote: post #33
jddecker wrote: post #12

How does this work if they are not clearly defined on a map? Usually TFRs are shown on drone maps so you know where you can fly. If I am flying my drone and an unmarked ICE vehicle drives within half a mile am I in trouble?

It sure would be nice of them to do that! I can't wait to see this tested in court. While IANAL the EFF sure has lawyers and their argument seems petty sound. Really this just seems like a waste of government money. They can shoot down drones and arrest people but those people will get court cases and they'll win and the gov will (and has) have you pay out fines. I'm not a fan of paying people to harass others...

I don’t think they really care about paying out fines, that would be a cost of doing business. The point is to make sure that footage like the Pretti execution can never happen again, because that’s what tanks their support. If they have to pay out a bunch of fines to get that assurance, so what? The fines are paid by our tax dollars anyway, it’s not like they’re actually harmed or deterred by them.

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Post by newfriend »

Herring wrote: post #28

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

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Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by tomrod »

Herring wrote: post #39
tayo42 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Confusing, the right are the ones advocating for cutting these things?

Ask a lot of software engineers what they think about European-style salaries and taxes to pay for a welfare state.

Huh. Most software engineers I come across am at worst ambivalent and at best highly desiring of unions.
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