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The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by youknownothing »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #29
youknownothing wrote: post #27

IANAL but mens rea is a serious consideration here. A prosecutor would have to prove that you have knowingly and wilfully committed the crime in order to be convicted, so unmarked cars are in practice out of scope. I think the main implication is that you won't be able to use any drone recordings for legal action against ICE unless you can prove that you recorded from further than 3,000 feet (one hell of a camera) or…

No, the point isn't just to stop legal action against ICE, it's also to go after anyone who posts drone footage that goes viral. Party of free speech, btw.

yeah, that too, good point.

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Post by tayo42 »

Herring wrote: post #28

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

Confusing, the right are the ones advocating for cutting these things?

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by godelski »

jddecker wrote: post #12

How does this work if they are not clearly defined on a map? Usually TFRs are shown on drone maps so you know where you can fly. If I am flying my drone and an unmarked ICE vehicle drives within half a mile am I in trouble?

It sure would be nice of them to do that!

I can't wait to see this tested in court. While IANAL the EFF sure has lawyers and their argument seems petty sound.

Really this just seems like a waste of government money. They can shoot down drones and arrest people but those people will get court cases and they'll win and the gov will (and has) have you pay out fines. I'm not a fan of paying people to harass others...

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Post by nine_k »

jeffbee wrote: post #30
Herring wrote: post #28

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

I thought it was to simply throw fascists into the sea. Simple Effective Affordable Ethical

"Why won't all good people rally together and kill all bad people?"

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Post by gruez »

jeffbee wrote: post #30
Herring wrote: post #28

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

I thought it was to simply throw fascists into the sea. Simple Effective Affordable Ethical

>Effective

The problem with political violence is that the other side will do the same thing, and you end up with an IRA situation where the country descends into sectarian violence.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by greedo »

tayo42 wrote: post #32
Herring wrote: post #28

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

Confusing, the right are the ones advocating for cutting these things?

Yes? At least in the US, the GOP has been working relentlessly for most of my life to reduce welfare, to reduce Medicaid, to make unionization difficult and to neuter existing unions, and most of all, cut taxes on the rich.

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Post by ceejayoz »

gruez wrote: post #35
jeffbee wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was to simply throw fascists into the sea. Simple Effective Affordable Ethical

>Effective The problem with political violence is that the other side will do the same thing, and you end up with an IRA situation where the country descends into sectarian violence.

The IRA situation had a slightly lower bodycount than the not-throwing-1930s-fascists-into-the-sea one, did it not?

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Post by dragonwriter »

gruez wrote: post #35
jeffbee wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was to simply throw fascists into the sea. Simple Effective Affordable Ethical

>Effective The problem with political violence is that the other side will do the same thing, and you end up with an IRA situation where the country descends into sectarian violence.

The problem with refraining from political violence where it is warranted is that the other side will do it anyway and you end up dead.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by Herring »

tayo42 wrote: post #32
Herring wrote: post #28

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

Confusing, the right are the ones advocating for cutting these things?

Ask a lot of software engineers what they think about European-style salaries and taxes to pay for a welfare state.

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Post by nandomrumber »

blooalien wrote: post #11
random3 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how can you tell the difference between anything and anything?

> "how can you tell the difference between anything and anything?" You can't until the overlord(s) you've delegated all your thinking to tells you what you saw.

Which is amusing, because it’s you lot here literally doing the groupthink.

I guess my comment may have been received better if I framed it in the devils advocate / steel manning context.

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