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Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by renewiltord »

All foreigners, pay attention to the people in this thread. They will often ask you to form unions with them. But what would such a union do? Well logically it would do what these people are asking them to do. And what do you see around you? Does it look like they're in favour of you. Do you think you'd be better off?

Remember that the Hyundai workers in Georgia were deported at the best of the local union. Right now, foreigners are a large portion of this field's workforce. If you are to join with a union, you will rapidly find that it absorbs the remainder of the workforce through being "a union shop". You will rapidly find that such a union will expand to include all these people. And then they will ask for you to be deported. It wouldn't be the first time. The reason Chinese and Indians couldn't be citizens for a long time is because the predecessor to today's AFL-CIO lobbied to block that.

Choose wisely. The danger is looking you right in the face and saying "I am the danger".

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Post by hash872 »

peyton wrote: post #83
PearlRiver wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US only has two political parties and they are both, secretly, pro immigration. The EU is actually clamping down on it because of populist/far right parties. I know someone who runs a Thai restaurant and he cannot fly in a cook from Asia. He has to find someone from Europe.

To be fair the US is pro-immigration and that’s no secret. H1-B is a guest worker visa. Those jobs could equally go to immigrants.

No, H1-B is a dual intent visa- working and a path to a Green Card. It's always been that way

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #223
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing who rural America routinely votes for and that they rather vote for someone who hates the same people they hate at their own expense (including people who look like me) - I stop caring, I’m over it.

Rural America is not the majority of America (81.7 million people, 24.4 percent of the U.S. population). ~70% of US GDP is from “blue” counties. https://www.fhfa.gov/blog/insights/who-lives-in-rural-americ... https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2017/08/rural-america...

You can turn the numbers anyway you want but the results of the 2024 election speaks for themselves. Like I said this is the country that the citizens want.

Before the retort starts that “if that’s what I think then why don’t I leave?”, corporate America has been decent to me. But I’m in my 50s and working on my exit plan and have been in the country I plan to retire to now for six weeks.

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Post by tw04 »

will4274 wrote: post #197
janalsncm wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> America is at near full employment Pretty sure that is the U3 rate which only counts people as unemployed if they are actively looking for a job. The U6 is better and rarely falls below 5%: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/U6RATE

The U6 is also historically low though. America is as fully employed as just about anytime in the past 50 years. Using a different metric may have different raw numbers, but the conclusion is the same.

>America is as fully employed as just about anytime in the past 50 years.

And what percentage of those workers are Walmart or Amazon warehouse employees who don't have healthcare coverage and don't make enough money to actually cover their monthly bills without being on welfare/public assistance?

Because my linkedin extended network says there's an awful lot of highly skilled people unable to find jobs in their respective fields.

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Post by mtlynch »

fooker wrote: post #137
moshegramovsky wrote: post #22

I don't understand why American workers would support this program at this scale. Furthermore, I believe universities and other similar researchy/affiliated non-profits are exempt from the hiring caps. I just cannot imagine executives at tech companies/body shops having any positive ethical motivations. More like "they'll do what we say without complaining or they'll go home". There's no way it's not just a hugely ab…

There's not much preventing you from starting a company and not hiring immigrants. This is something I'd encourage everyone with strong opinions about work visas to try and accomplish. You don't change a system by crying about it on anonymous internet forums, you do it by competing against it and making it redundant.

That's missing the point.

Ultimately, companies who use H1B visas will outcompete companies who don't because the H1B system gives them cheaper labor costs. The solution has to come at the regulatory level.

150 years ago, if you told someone "oh if you want safer factories just build one yourself," that business would never survive because they'd get outcompeted by the less scrupulous factory owners who were happy to mangle their employees and just replace them with more desperate workers.

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Post by baby »

rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

The move is to hire remote workers so you can easily hire outside the US, or create office locations in other countries

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Post by youknownothing »

This is unnecessarily incendiary, didn't get passed the first paragraph because this is so misleading:

> Oracle [...] has filed thousands of petitions for H-1B visas in the past two fiscal years, even as it lays off thousands of American workers

Oracle is laying off workers of _all_ nationalities, not just Americans. I know people at Oracle with H1B visas that were laid off. Trying to paint it as if they're replacing Americans with foreigners is just unnecessary fear mongering.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by fooker »

mtlynch wrote: post #235
fooker wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not much preventing you from starting a company and not hiring immigrants. This is something I'd encourage everyone with strong opinions about work visas to try and accomplish. You don't change a system by crying about it on anonymous internet forums, you do it by competing against it and making it redundant.

That's missing the point. Ultimately, companies who use H1B visas will outcompete companies who don't because the H1B system gives them cheaper labor costs. The solution has to come at the regulatory level. 150 years ago, if you told someone "oh if you want safer factories just build one yourself," that business would never survive because they'd get outcompeted by the less scrupulous factory owners who were happy to…

Your factory analogy is great because that's exactly how it happened and we outsourced everything to China.

It's significantly easier to outsource white collar work.

And you can keep playing the regulation game until there are no companies left.

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