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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

I don’t really follow what you’re saying. You mention the 5 hour limit. Is your expectation that they have enough capacity so that everyone can hit their 5 hour limit all the time? Or you are proposing that’s how they limit capacity for a subscription?

Do you have an example of how this is how they have advertised or sold the plan? I don’t recall ever seeing any advertisement that their plan is simply pre paying for tokens.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Super confusing email. Not sure why I received. Am i to assume my account was flagged? I only use my subscription for Claude Code. UPDATE: reply on x Thariq @trq212 only flagged accounts, but you can still claim the credit

I got the email and I've only ever run the legit claude client.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#183

Just give me a subscription tier where I’m not being blocked out every afternoon. Im hitting rate limits within 1:45 during afternoons. I can’t justify extra usage since it’s a variable cost, but I can justify a higher subscription tier.

Based on the way subscriptions work for every other business, if you’re hitting the limits, you are not profitable for them.

My guess is a plan with double the limits would need to be 5-10x as expensive.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#184

Anthropic and OpenAI are the clearest examples of why, in an organization of specialists, the experts themselves should not be the CEO or the final decision-maker once the company’s challenges extend beyond just the product. Just look at how Sam Altman has led OpenAI step by step to dominate—and choke out—Anthropic, a company founded by the group of engineers who were once part of the turmoil at OpenAI. Anthorpic's p…

An interesting... weird(?), take. I see Anthropic as being mostly a much more compelling option. They've avoided most negative backlash, they have a much higher percentage of paying users, plenty of enterprise contracts, etc. They avoided money pits like Sora. OpenAI seems to mostly be chasing the consumer market, but not doing great at it.

I'm a very happy Anthropic customer. They could charge me 3X the current rate and it'd still be a great deal.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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You can set the monthly extra usage cap to $1000 or something to cap how much it can cost per month. https://support.claude.com/en/articles/12429409-manage-extra...

That's a had sell to a finance team.

It seems like you have an impossible ask? Why not 4 subscriptions to last you 5 hours?

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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post #12

Just give me a subscription tier where I’m not being blocked out every afternoon. Im hitting rate limits within 1:45 during afternoons. I can’t justify extra usage since it’s a variable cost, but I can justify a higher subscription tier.

even higher than $200? gosh, what are you doing to hit limits every day?

For me it's surprising that they expected anything other than heavy utilisation at that price point. People don't subscribe at those prices and forget about it.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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I just discovered Pi Coding Agent and found that it's lean System Prompt + a tuned CLAUDE.md brought back a lot of the intelligence that Opus seemed to lose over the last month. Sucks to be pushed back to Claude Code with opaque system behavior and inconsistency. I bet many would rather pay more for stability than less for gambling on the model intelligence.

We use Pi at work (where we pay per token) and I’d love to use it personally too. From what I’ve read, nobody has been banned for using Pi yet… I wonder if Anthropic minds this much as long as it’s still human usage, or if they’re mostly focused on stamping out the autonomous harnesses. Unfortunately Pi is also what OpenClaw uses so it could easily get swept up in the enforcement attention. Or maybe I’ll just get a C…

They have, but they also just announced this week that for business and enterprise plans, they’re switching from quotas for codex to token use based pricing, and I would expect that to eventually propagate to all their plans for all the same reasons.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#190

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time.

You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits.

Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that.

It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a subscription for that user.

An OpenClaw user can use 6, 7, 8 times what a human subscriber is using.

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