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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by verdverm »

hajile wrote: post #593
verdverm wrote: post #159

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With the altitudes they've been flying at, shoulder mounted MANPADs are a viable option.

MANPADS have a range of around 4 miles. Most soldiers aren't carrying around armed MANPADS. They have to fetch the MANPADS, arm it, aim, and fire all before the jet dumps its load and flares before bailing out. Because of this, MANPADS are a much greater threat to helicopters or CAS like the Warthog than they are to jets dumping ordinance. This has been proven pretty decisively in Ukraine. Radar is line-of-sight. A n…

Drones and munitions depth seems to be the name of the game, logistics wins wars

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by caminante »

01100011 wrote: post #298
oa335 wrote: post #259

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> Iran has been buying and building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people Iran spends about 2.5% of its GDP on defense, compared to USA at around 3.5%. How much should they be spending? https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locat...

Is that reliable? The IRGC basically runs the economy and takes a significant cut. The IGRC is also separate from the military. The nuclear program, quite obviously for military use, may also not be included. What about support for proxy groups? Hezbollah alone gets support above $1B per year.

I was aware of the IRGC graft.

I tried to check the amounts normalized for % of GDP.

Conservative estimates put them at half of the 2% GDP military spend. However, the IRGC's tentacles are also estimated to siphon off something like +50% of the GDP.[0]

Not all of that money's going to military hardware, but they have a substantial slush fund and use the Iranian resource base as a military piggy bank.

[0]https://fortune.com/2026/03/02/iran-islamic-revolutionary-gu...

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by trhway »

outside2344 wrote: post #558
bijowo1676 wrote: post #357

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a single AN/FPS-132 radar costs $1.1 bln, not $500m. And Iran stuck 17 of the CENCCOM sites hosting radars of all kinds across Qarar, Bahrain, Iraq, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, etc). Total cost is so much bigger, it is staggering. The whole CENTCOM is blind basically, as well as Iron Dome which relied on these radars - all blind now, in addition to long-range early nuke detection to protect CONUS is also blind. in ad…

And running out of Patriots

Looks like Iran is doing what i suggested Ukraine should have done to Russia https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42529638

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by Merad »

pwarner wrote: post #59

I hope the aviators are OK, and also hope whoever they were bombing are also OK. I do wonder if Iran finds them first, will they treat them better than the US treated survivors of the ship sunk by a US torpedo in the Indiana Ocean?

If you're suggesting that the US submarine should have rescued the survivors - with respect I think you don't understand how submarines work. They have no capability to perform rescue operations. They have no way to handle mass numbers of injuries, there's normally just one corpsman (basically a medic) on board. Even if they want to do a rescue operation they have no place to put them. Subs barely have room for their own crew; typically 2 or even 3 sailors share the same bed.

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Post by olejorgenb »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #565
MarkMarine wrote: post #26

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The F35 was able to make an emergency landing in a gulf country. This one actually went down in Iran.

> emergency landing https://preview.redd.it/f35-i-shot-down-in-iran-v0-0gdyroc4o... . I think it's ok to say that it crashed into the ground but the pilot survived. With 'emergency landing' people assume it was just a rough landing whereas the plane here is completely and utterly broken.

Source of that image though.. ?

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Post by orbital-decay »

jasomill wrote: post #549
harambae wrote: post #419

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Not sure if it was actually used, but a fun idea for pilot recovery.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiller_ROE_Rotorcycle

The Fulton recovery system[1] using a self-inflating balloon was used in production. Though if Iranian air defenses are capable of shooting down an F-15, mounting a rescue operation with a C-130 may not be the brightest idea. Anyone know the minimum speed of a B-2? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery...

>Lifted off the ground, the pig began to spin as it flew through the air at 125 miles per hour (200 km/h). It arrived on board uninjured, but in a disoriented state. When it recovered, it attacked the crew.

Understandable

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Post by pphysch »

gryzzly wrote: post #640
pphysch wrote: post #525

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The "50,000 murdered protesters" is blatant atrocity propaganda to launder the actual mass murder of civilians and failed illegal regime change war by the United States and Israel. Nothing more. It is a lie told with the blackest of intentions. "Who cares if we murdered 170 schools girls? The evil regime murdered 50 gorillian civilians so it's okay when we do it!"

this just says that you believe the Iranian regime and don’t believe the western democracies, nothing else. there are names of people killed, and videos of hangings, and videos of basij forces shooting at people on the streets, easy to find. there are videos of Iranians celebrating the bombing of regime symbols – saying all of its "atrocity propaganda" doesn’t make it not be true.

It is certain that armed gangs were activated and many people (up to a couple thousand) were killed in chaotic riots. There's video evidence of armed gangs in the streets.

The idea that tens of thousands of peaceful protestors were killed solely by the government, the same government that was decapitated just weeks later by a foreign war of aggression, and yet not a hint of mass uprising afterwards? Utterly preposterous, and I would be embarrassed to even entertain that narrative.

It's so obviously part of a cynical propaganda campaign to justify the actual unilateral mass murder of civilians by the Trump and Netanyahu regimes.

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Post by mahirsaid »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #599
mhb wrote: post #592

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Saying "Death to America" doesn't give us the right to bomb them. They've been saying that for a long time now and yet haven't posed serious threat to the US mainland. Trump says a lot of crazy shit as well, would that give other countries the right to bomb the US?

I wonder why they're saying that?.

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Post by LAC-Tech »

panarky wrote: post #184
victorbjorklund wrote: post #142

If true I can’t imagine it will play well even among Trumps base. When was the last time a US fighter jet was shot down? 1999 during the intervention in the balkans?

You overestimate the base. The war machine is already rewriting this as Iranian hostility. The base is incapable of seeing this as a failure of their cult leader. Instead they'll see it as the very rationale and justification of the war. If they were ambivalent about it before, now they'll scream bloody murder for even more off-the-leash barbarism from the US and Israel.

Trump has a loyal hardcore, but he is absolutely bleeding supporters around the edges. If you follow the US right many of them are pledging to vote democrat in the midterms as a protest.

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Post by NickC25 »

rustyhancock wrote: post #330
YZF wrote: post #270

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What's the reliability of this reporting? What we can tell though is that Iran is still firing missiles (including cluster munitions) at Israel's civilians and at gulf states. So the ground facts are that it can still do that. We also have to remember that Iran has a large number of different missile systems for different ranges. It's mostly not the same missiles they are firing at the nearby gulf states as they are…

I don't think we'll see anything close to reliable reporting any time soon. The story of whether Iran had a nuclear program has been reported every which way but loose for the past 6 months. By the time Trump started pushing that they were close to a nuke again, those that claimed he was wrong 6 months ago and the nuclear program was intact. Had started claiming it was in fact destroyed. Gosh that sentence is hard en…

>The story of whether Iran had a nuclear program has been reported every which way but loose for the past 6 months.

6 months?

Try like 35+ years. Bibi has been pushing the "Iran is 2 weeks away from a nuke" narrative since the late 80s.

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