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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by jasonlotito »

firloop wrote: post #15
jasonlotito wrote: post #11

Yes, this was made clear a while back and should not be a surprise. (Honestly, I had to double-check the date/time to see if this was actually posted today. You can use your Claude Code subscription with third-party tools, but you have to use the Claude Code harness. Or, you use the API. OpenClaw could use the Claude Code harness, but they don't.

FWIW I am sympathetic to Anthropic here, but OpenClaw _is_ using the Claude Code harness (via claude -p). But yes, Anthropic has made it clear they don’t like this.

So they changed it? Last I heard they hadn't. Where did they announce they were switching to the Claude harness? I can't find anything.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by sidrag22 »

rvz wrote: post #2

> To make the transition easier, we’re offering a one-time credit for extra usage equal to your monthly subscription price. Redeem your credit by April 17. We’re also introducing discounts when you pre-purchase bundles of extra usage (up to 30%). The Anthropic casino wants you to continue gambling tokens at their casino only on their machines (Claude Code) only by giving more promotional offers such as free spins, $2…

Plenty to hate on anthropic for right now, but Ill never understand the references to output as a slot machine. It is massively a skill based tool, you CAN use it like a slot machine with "please make it work" style prompts. The variance is the difference, if you feed it great context and/or relevant sources to utilize, your odds of success increase dramatically. Slot machines, it doesn't matter how much thought you put into your pull, you will have the same odds as literally any other person pulling the lever.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by rvz »

bitpush wrote: post #12
SkyPuncher wrote: post #9

Just give me a subscription tier where I’m not being blocked out every afternoon. Im hitting rate limits within 1:45 during afternoons. I can’t justify extra usage since it’s a variable cost, but I can justify a higher subscription tier.

even higher than $200? gosh, what are you doing to hit limits every day?

Consulting fees from Claude & Ralph.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by charcircuit »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #9

Just give me a subscription tier where I’m not being blocked out every afternoon. Im hitting rate limits within 1:45 during afternoons. I can’t justify extra usage since it’s a variable cost, but I can justify a higher subscription tier.

You can set the monthly extra usage cap to $1000 or something to cap how much it can cost per month.

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/12429409-manage-extra...

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by jasonlotito »

winterrx wrote: post #23

So now what happens to startups and ADE's orientated around Claude like Conductor.. no more Claude for them I guess back to Codex!

Nothing. They aren't using third party harnesses, which is the issue here as spelled out in the post.

> you’ll no longer be able to use your Claude subscription limits for third-party harnesses including OpenClaw.

My understanding is that Conductor and others aren't using it.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by firloop »

jasonlotito wrote: post #21
firloop wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I am sympathetic to Anthropic here, but OpenClaw _is_ using the Claude Code harness (via claude -p). But yes, Anthropic has made it clear they don’t like this.

So they changed it? Last I heard they hadn't. Where did they announce they were switching to the Claude harness? I can't find anything.

I received the email and I have been using “Option B”, which wraps the Claude CLI. https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#option-b-claude...

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by kjuulh »

Anthropic should calm down, I get that they're trying to either build a moat, or simply curb what is essentially subsidized tokens. It is technically true that when you've got a claude code subscription you pay for the product with its terms, and those terms doesn't include you grabbing the token and using it for another application. They're also trying to build a competitor to openclaw so it makes sense they're trying to crush it. But it feels like such a feeble moat, that it looks silly. Claude Code is nice, but it is not that nice.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by minimaxir »

christopher8827 wrote: post #19

This is why people are switching over to Codex

Codex just ended their double-usage offer and OpenAI just had an exec shakeup, so it'll be interesting to see how Codex reacts, or if people have usage issues with Codex.
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