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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by hereme888 »

shevy-java wrote: post #617
hereme888 wrote: post #596

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Clueless? Iran has been attacking many countries, including US and Israel, for 47 years. It's not a secret.

It is pretty obvious that the current war was started by Israel and USA. I somewhat understand Israel's agenda and objective, even if evil and selfish depending on the point of view (or selfish, for Netanyahu to avoid legal scrutiny while acting as prime minister). I don't understand the USA attacking here at all. With rising prices I think Trump should pay compensation to the rest of the world for his decision here.…

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Post by monooso »

josefritzishere wrote: post #43

This is the dumbest, most pointless military conflict in American history. There is nothing plausible to win, but we can conceivably lose everything. A pyric victory is among the most favorable outcomes. We are led by corrupt imbeciles. I can only hope the outcome includes regime change for the U.S.

> This is the dumbest, most pointless military conflict in American history.

You've picked a high bar there.

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Post by throwaway27448 »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #527
throwaway27448 wrote: post #499

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And how, pray tell, does an american voter vote against using the most lethal military in the world?

Vote against liars who promise peace. Or demand representatives impeach them.

> Vote against liars who promise peace.

By voting for a party that refuses to promise this?

> Or demand representatives impeach them.

We both know this will do nothing.

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Post by mhb »

dlev_pika wrote: post #623
mhb wrote: post #610

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Don't be intentionally obtuse. They've been saying this for over four decades and have spent at least tens of billions of dollars in their quest to make it happen. Besides attacking Israel.

Can’t be a surprise to anyone that is even superficially familiar with Iran-US relationships, prior to the Ayatollah’s return in the 70s

So when you ask the IRGC and the ayatollahs why they hate the US, Israel, and the West, they say it's because of history from 1957? I'm thinking it has more to do with their interpretation of their religion.

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Post by nashashmi »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #643
bijowo1676 wrote: post #357

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a single AN/FPS-132 radar costs $1.1 bln, not $500m. And Iran stuck 17 of the CENCCOM sites hosting radars of all kinds across Qarar, Bahrain, Iraq, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, etc). Total cost is so much bigger, it is staggering. The whole CENTCOM is blind basically, as well as Iron Dome which relied on these radars - all blind now, in addition to long-range early nuke detection to protect CONUS is also blind. in ad…

No problem - Trump is asking for an FY 2027 1.5 TRILLION dollar military budget, and just said that Medicare and Medicare may need to be cut to afford it.

A reminder that these losses will mean we all each lose something. And Israel gains a whole lot more.

What’s the next country we move to?

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Post by oa335 »

picsao wrote: post #535
rurp wrote: post #307

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On top of these cases there is all of the aircraft that has been destroyed while grounded. The high tech AWACS getting blown up was a big hit, among others. The losses are likely much worse than we know since the military has been trying to keep a lid on most of them.

The problem is that the losses indicate something worse. A breakdown of doctrinal disciplin- mostly created by chronic underestimation of advesaries in the region. If Israel can pulp the proxxies that easy, iran would be easy. Thus it was not necessary to do what ukraine does- mostly keeping planes in the air so they are not bombed on the runway, rotating them among bases - etc. Which is specified as a strategy in th…

> breakdown of doctrinal disciplin- mostly created by chronic underestimation of advesaries in the region

"Keep in mind that the greatest entities, whether they are cities or nations, are the ones most susceptible to the pride that comes before a fall."

Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

voganmother42 wrote: post #303
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #186

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The ship was an unarmed vessel on its way to a goodwill visit to Sri Lanka and coming from an international maritime exercise hosted by India, which the United States also attended and participated in. The US torpedoed it, and when it sank, the US did not apparently attempt to rescue any of the Dena's crew. Fortunately, Sri Lanka showed up and saved 30 people. Mind you, the details of war are not always clear. The US…

The US is busy shooting “drug boats” with no evidence, that is who they are now

I thought the people claiming they might be fishing boats with no fishing gear, 55gallon drums, in specially designed hulls with 6 engines, hauling ass out of known drug ports were just joking.

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Post by MarkMarine »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #565
MarkMarine wrote: post #26

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The F35 was able to make an emergency landing in a gulf country. This one actually went down in Iran.

> emergency landing https://preview.redd.it/f35-i-shot-down-in-iran-v0-0gdyroc4o... . I think it's ok to say that it crashed into the ground but the pilot survived. With 'emergency landing' people assume it was just a rough landing whereas the plane here is completely and utterly broken.

As an aviator, that right there counts as an emergency landing. A hard one.

They limped it back home, they didn’t ditch a very sensitive airframe over enemy territory, I’d call that a win and the pilot deserves a medal for that.

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Post by tejohnso »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #595
eek2121 wrote: post #579

I see a ton of bickering, however, I simply have to ask the question: how can anyone justify the United States of America and Israel attacking ANY country? It isn't our job, nor is it Israel's, to try and be the world police. People are dying, and because of a certain corpse-to-be controlling MY country, the world is beginning to suffer and it is going to get so much worse. Some economists are saying gas rationing wi…

> gas rationing will begin happening within the next 9-15 months It really depends where in the world you are. There are places that will begin rationing in the next few weeks if not sooner.

There are places that has already begun.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/9/bangladesh-shuts-uni...

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Post by hereme888 »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #650
hereme888 wrote: post #647

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The 1953 coup was ugly realpolitik, but the Islamic Republic's hostility began in 1979 (hostage crisis, embassy takeover, fatwas against the West). Iran has been the initiator of most modern conflict.

So you don't think 1953 had anything to do with 1979? It just kind of happened out of the blue?

It contributed, but downright accusing the US for 1979 ignores Iranian agency, the Shah's own policy failures, economic/social pressures, and the ideological revolutionaries.
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