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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #508
bdbdbdb wrote: post #455

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We always talk about what these powerful people "have done", as if it's all over. Surely Epstein's death did not bring about the end of billionaire sex trafficking? Someone stepped in. These guys are still raping people on private planes and private islands

But why are we focusing on the raping, and not on what the American government is doing that has no clear rational motive without “Israel has captured the government” and a very clear rational motive with “Israel has captured the government”? If the American government continues to perform actions that are blatantly against the interests of America and Americans, the impact of that on Americans is going to be (and ma…

I can't shake the feeling that Trump's continual needling of Europe is intended the destroy NATO. And this is a desire of Putin's.

I know it's conspiratorial, and I hate that, but it's one of the only things that makes any of the actions of the US in the last year make any semblance of sense.

I don't like to think that, but it remains, for me, a valid scenario.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by dlev_pika »

mhb wrote: post #610
UncleOxidant wrote: post #599

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Saying "Death to America" doesn't give us the right to bomb them. They've been saying that for a long time now and yet haven't posed serious threat to the US mainland. Trump says a lot of crazy shit as well, would that give other countries the right to bomb the US?

Don't be intentionally obtuse. They've been saying this for over four decades and have spent at least tens of billions of dollars in their quest to make it happen. Besides attacking Israel.

Can’t be a surprise to anyone that is even superficially familiar with Iran-US relationships, prior to the Ayatollah’s return in the 70s

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by culi »

hereme888 wrote: post #596
eek2121 wrote: post #579

I see a ton of bickering, however, I simply have to ask the question: how can anyone justify the United States of America and Israel attacking ANY country? It isn't our job, nor is it Israel's, to try and be the world police. People are dying, and because of a certain corpse-to-be controlling MY country, the world is beginning to suffer and it is going to get so much worse. Some economists are saying gas rationing wi…

Clueless? Iran has been attacking many countries, including US and Israel, for 47 years. It's not a secret.

Iran has actually never directly killed any US citizens. This misconception arises because its allies in Lebanon have done so. But the US and Israel were occupying the bottom third of Lebanon so I would hardly call that an attack.

There was also the hostage crisis but that was done by student protestors rather than the Iranian government.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by fooker »

pc86 wrote: post #277
elictronic wrote: post #229

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Manpads (man portable air defense) works just fine.

"Just fine" for what? AGM88 is air-to-ground and manpads are surface-to-air. If you're implying that manpads work just fine instead of A-10s, you're wrong.

Well, the A-10 is down no matter how correct you feel you are.

Shoulder launched missiles are absolutely capable of taking down large slow aircrafts in 2026.

This is not a rpg from 1930

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by mhb »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #620
mhb wrote: post #610

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Don't be intentionally obtuse. They've been saying this for over four decades and have spent at least tens of billions of dollars in their quest to make it happen. Besides attacking Israel.

Saying things and even spending to try to make it happen doesn't mean they were even close to being able to actually do it. Under Obama we had an agreement which had rigorous inspection details to prevent them developing nuclear weapons. Trump tore that all up in his first term.

They were violating the agreement. That is why it was torn up.

Why is the burden on us to disprove what they tell us they want to do and are taking actions to accomplish? When someone says they're trying to kill you and is actively working to make that happen, it is prudent to believe them.

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Post by angry_octet »

chithanh wrote: post #475
bijowo1676 wrote: post #369

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Geran-2 (which is Russian licenced Shahed drone) also carries air-to-air missile, so sending slow archaic manned airframe is just suicide mission (aka shaheed) https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-used-shahed-drone-arme...

That is not a Shahed drone, that is a Geran-2 drone. Which is similar from the outside but not the same. Also Iran doesn't have stock of R-60s I think.

There's also no possibility that a Geran would be able to engage an A-10. It doesn't have a RADAR, it is much slower and less manoeuvrable.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by culi »

miketery wrote: post #602
eek2121 wrote: post #579

I see a ton of bickering, however, I simply have to ask the question: how can anyone justify the United States of America and Israel attacking ANY country? It isn't our job, nor is it Israel's, to try and be the world police. People are dying, and because of a certain corpse-to-be controlling MY country, the world is beginning to suffer and it is going to get so much worse. Some economists are saying gas rationing wi…

This is the flag of the Houthis [1], they are sponsored by Iran, as are the likes of Hezbollah, and Hamas. They have similar language in their charters. How is that not casus belli? 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha

US first started bombing Yemen in 2002. That flag was adopted by Yemen in 2014

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by benjiro3000 »

ericmay wrote: post #371
anigbrowl wrote: post #337

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The US has lost mutiple KC-125 tankers and an E3 as well, although those were destroyed ont he ground rather than shot down. building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people Just yesterday, Trump was talking about another $1.5 trillion for defense in the coming fiscal year, and saying the US can't afford things like daycare, medicare etc. Iran's military budget as a % of…

> The US has lost mutiple KC-125 tankers and an E3 as well, although those were destroyed ont he ground rather than shot down. Which makes them irrelevant here in this discussion but sure yea. Russia (those sneaky guys who invaded Ukraine and are being supplied by Iran) provide targeting information to Iran, Iran has missiles, we can't shoot them all down, and here we are. It's unfortunate but that's what happens in…

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