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F-15E jet shot down over Iran
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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran
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Probably because their air defenses were too busy getting shot to shit. There was a lot of Iranian AA losses in the opening phase of this war. US went town on anything that looked remotely like AA to secure the sky for themselves, and operated with ever-increasing impunity since. Between advanced ISR, stealth, ECM and stand-off munitions, US has a lot of tools to make the lives of AA crews into a living hell. It's un…
> It's unclear what happened here exactly. It really isn't. A huge portion of Iran's air defenses are designed for road-mobility and pop-up attacks instead of long-term point defense, encompassing hundreds of launchers total: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Islam... Military strategists long warned that air campaigns flying over South Iran would have to contend with passively-guided SAMs and MA…
Considered that this is the first jet shot down in the entire war? "High mobility SAMs" alone completely fails to explain it.
They had high mobility SAMs for the entire war, with nothing to show for it. Something else must have happened there.
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The US has lost mutiple KC-125 tankers and an E3 as well, although those were destroyed ont he ground rather than shot down. building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people Just yesterday, Trump was talking about another $1.5 trillion for defense in the coming fiscal year, and saying the US can't afford things like daycare, medicare etc. Iran's military budget as a % of…
> The US has lost mutiple KC-125 tankers and an E3 as well, although those were destroyed ont he ground rather than shot down. Which makes them irrelevant here in this discussion but sure yea. Russia (those sneaky guys who invaded Ukraine and are being supplied by Iran) provide targeting information to Iran, Iran has missiles, we can't shoot them all down, and here we are. It's unfortunate but that's what happens in…
Good lessons. Like ignoring previous military plans that showed how tough a nut Iran would be to crack.
Lessons like the value of AWACs. Now we're down to 15 and the availability rate is like 50%. So 8 or so WORLDWIDE. Yeah, that's a good lesson. And we've cancelled its replacement after someone (probably Elon) whispered BS into Trump's ear about space based sensors.
I'm sure China is watching with a notepad out about all these lessons. Thucydides is rolling in his grave.
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#565The article says this is the first jet that was shot down by enemy fire this war, but this confuses me. Was the F35 that was downed a while back friendly fire or something? Are F35s not fighter jets?
The F35 was able to make an emergency landing in a gulf country. This one actually went down in Iran.
> emergency landing
https://preview.redd.it/f35-i-shot-down-in-iran-v0-0gdyroc4o....
I think it's ok to say that it crashed into the ground but the pilot survived.
With 'emergency landing' people assume it was just a rough landing whereas the plane here is completely and utterly broken.
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True but without radar they have a relatively difficult task of being out there setup and waiting for a fast moving jet to pass within range. Compare that to Ukraine defending it's skies with NATO (well mostly French IIRC) AWACS feeding early data which is what made MANPADS in Ukraine so effective against Russian attacks.
I don't think manpads themselves are connected to the AWACS infrastructure.
It's more that high altitude planes get picked up by the AWACS while low flight is at risk of being shot at by a MANPAD.
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#567Iran, who armed itself to the teeth, shoots down a 30-yr-old fighter jet. Crew expected to have survived.
Acceptable win ratio for the U.S. (whom many of you despise).
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#568Impossible. Iran's army was already demolished weeks ago, and there's "nothing left". What did they take it down with, bb guns?
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I think you're mistaken about who congress is beholden to at this particular point in time... The war has record low approval ratings, even among Trump's base.
> The war has record low approval ratings, even among Trump's base. The war does, Trump does not. He maintains very strong support among the base, and that is the part keeping the GOP politicians in line. It is why some of them just resign instead of enduring the threats from his supporters.
It's the special interest groups. Specifically Israel's lobbying efforts. No need to try to obfuscate it at this point.