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Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by andriy_koval »

ergocoder wrote: post #73
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Stanford also filed an H1B this year to hire an IT person. https://x.com/chrisbrunet/status/2037376353461567734 Apparently, no citizen wants to do this job? Why do we allow things like this?

"we" don't allow, but also don't enforce (violators are rarely punished).

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

dexwiz wrote: post #39
moshegramovsky wrote: post #22

I don't understand why American workers would support this program at this scale. Furthermore, I believe universities and other similar researchy/affiliated non-profits are exempt from the hiring caps. I just cannot imagine executives at tech companies/body shops having any positive ethical motivations. More like "they'll do what we say without complaining or they'll go home". There's no way it's not just a hugely ab…

Because our government is not run for the workers but the owners. Full stop.

To be clear too, this is not capitalism. This is corporatism. Large companies dictating economic companies is anti-innovation. It can only end with disaster and more control/corporatism because lower-productivity workers does not produce higher long-term growth. Temporarily you are able to get your bonus and stock options from the spread between imported and native workers but, eventually, demand and supply stop (and the US reached this point a while ago, which is why central bankers and politicians have had to intervene heavily to keep it going).

The end game for corporatism is shown in Europe where you can see a clear gap between countries that are built on non-zero sum systems which are thriving, everything just works...and then other countries which have been heavily corporatist for multiple decades, everything is collapsing, government function is both non-existent in many areas and reaching new highs of intervention into markets. Unfortunately, the Chinese were right.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by ipaddr »

infamouscow wrote: post #81
dexwiz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because our government is not run for the workers but the owners. Full stop.

Owners are a minority of voters, which raises an obvious question: why does the majority tolerate it? Every serious attempt to answer that ends up admitting something uncomfortable, that democracy only functions as intended if voters are consistently rational and informed. But that assumption doesn’t hold. It never has. Even the Athenians put Socrates, father of Western civilization, to death. If society were at all…

Wealth can be spent on influence. That includes news converage / ads / or donations.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by luckydata »

pj_mukh wrote: post #37
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

If America is at near full employment why don't I have a job after looking for 6 months. This is a load of nonsense.

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

motbus3 wrote: post #47
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #42

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https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=pj_mukh You didn't even try to read the comments to get a context. You assumed you were being attacked and you need to hate immigrants. You are just being manipulated.

> you need to hate immigrants

Oracle is immigrants?

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by ergocoder »

andriy_koval wrote: post #101
ergocoder wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stanford also filed an H1B this year to hire an IT person. https://x.com/chrisbrunet/status/2037376353461567734 Apparently, no citizen wants to do this job? Why do we allow things like this?

"we" don't allow, but also don't enforce (violators are rarely punished).

I feel like this is legal i.e. we allow it.

Stanford wouldn't blatantly violate laws like this.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by Avicebron »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #97
pj_mukh wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I suppose we simply disagree, and that is fine. I think the H-1B should be eliminated in favor of the O-1, the domestic labor exists, corporations would simply prefer "optimize their labor costs" and employ workers with reduced mobility via the H-1B. The data is clear from the salaries paid, which is public data. As I've commented previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46257889 "I am calling for a temporary…

> The US has an obligation to its citizens

In an ideal world the US _is_ it's citizens. Importing thousands of "guest" workers on h1b visas who never end up leaving seems borderline seditious.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by jltsiren »

ergocoder wrote: post #73
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Stanford also filed an H1B this year to hire an IT person. https://x.com/chrisbrunet/status/2037376353461567734 Apparently, no citizen wants to do this job? Why do we allow things like this?

Without knowing anything about that particular case, I would assume that the person was initially hired as an F-1 student and later changed to OPT status. University IT tends to hire students to entry-level positions all around the world. And now Stanford wants to keep the proven employee instead of going through the uncertainty of hiring a new person.

So maybe the actual question is what kind of a Stanford undergraduate would choose a university IT position in ~2021 instead of aiming for more lucrative tech roles. Perhaps the kind that wants to maximize their chances of getting H-1B.

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