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Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by alephnerd »

guzfip wrote: post #45
dominotw wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

construction, hospital nurses and daycare workers are the avialble jobs? so depressing and scary

Yeah you don’t want to work 60+ hours a week to be even remotely close to what you were making before?

> Yeah you don’t want to work 60+ hours a week

These are union jobs where hours worked don't extend beyond 50 hours including overtime and with significantly lower barrier to entry compared to software.

Why should American SWEs earn more than Accountants (around $80k), Teachers (around $70k), or Mechanical Engineers (around $80k)?

It's this kind of attitude that makes non-techies feel schadenfreude.

Techies moan and moan, yet in reality we became the capital elite - a median TC of $190K [0] does make you the capital elite in a country where the median household income is $80k [1]. Even investment bankers have a similar TC to SWEs [2] - especially if you don't work for a Bulge Bracket or Elite Boutique.

[0] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/united-...

[1] - https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2025/demo/p60-28...

[2] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/investment-banker?countryId=254&cou...

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by Dig1t »

zombot wrote: post #44

The MAGA crowd will be ecstatic. They get fired while their president's buddy gets to hire new workers that are cheaper and more susceptible to extortion. Be careful what you vote for.

There was no option to vote for which was actually pro-worker. The other side is just as in-favor of these "high skilled" visas, and also even more pro mass-migration of all kinds. The previous admin sued Texas and Arizona to take down their border walls, and sent forklifts to literally open the barbed wire at the border.

There is no evidence that the alternative party would have done anything about this issue.

It is obvious that both parties are completely detached from the interests of their constituents.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

dexwiz wrote: post #39
moshegramovsky wrote: post #22

I don't understand why American workers would support this program at this scale. Furthermore, I believe universities and other similar researchy/affiliated non-profits are exempt from the hiring caps. I just cannot imagine executives at tech companies/body shops having any positive ethical motivations. More like "they'll do what we say without complaining or they'll go home". There's no way it's not just a hugely ab…

Because our government is not run for the workers but the owners. Full stop.

There are days I think what we need is a slightly bigger font for heavily upvoted comments.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by toasty228 »

maest wrote: post #35
mikert89 wrote: post #17

Where did my standard of living go? Couldnt possibly have to do with imported labor working around the clock under the threat of being kicked out of the country

Cheap labour producing goods for the native population at low costs should increase your standard of living, no? It makes the products you buy cheaper. By your logic, if you were the only person in the country, you'd live like a king.

That's way too naive, prices never go down, the owner pockets the difference, you pay the same, and once they come to your industry you have more competition

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Post by PearlRiver »

QGQBGdeZREunxLe wrote: post #43

It's always puzzled me that layoffs don't result in a temporary bar from using the H1B system like it does for filing PERMs with the DoL.

The US only has two political parties and they are both, secretly, pro immigration.

The EU is actually clamping down on it because of populist/far right parties. I know someone who runs a Thai restaurant and he cannot fly in a cook from Asia. He has to find someone from Europe.

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Post by moshegramovsky »

motbus3 wrote: post #55
moshegramovsky wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H-1B exists to make unfathomably rich corporations and people even more unfathomably rich. That's the only reason. That's why we don't have single payer. How can corporations function if employees don't equate job loss with total economic and social ruin?

Not necessarily. Many of the technological revolution started with refugees and immigrants before, during and after ww2. And technically you should even count the NZ that were brought to create the rocket programs Anyway, I feel that you need read this guy comment https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=pj_mukh

I appreciate the information. However, labor Arbitrage affects millions of American workers. It probably affects tens of millions. I just cannot fathom that companies today have any positive ethical reasons for wanting to participate. It gives them another stick to use against both groups of workers. Also, H-1B was started in 1990, so well after World War II.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by [deleted] »

pj_mukh wrote: post #37
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

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Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by pnw »

pj_mukh wrote: post #37
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

Oracle laid off 491 people in Seattle this week.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by Noumenon72 »

pj_mukh wrote: post #37
rdtsc wrote: post #8

Wherever their major offices are look for newspapers in the small towns nearby advertising for "Software developers for Oracle" all written in the tiniest print, right next to classified that sell used bikes, car parts and other stuff. - "Well, Uncle Sam, we looked so hard in US and nobody answered our job posts, we have to go to ... $othercountry to hire, there is no other way"

Just to cut through the headline here. The largest chunk of Oracle layoffs were in India [1]. In comparison, they've barely fired any American workers. Contrary to popular opinion, IT workers aren't interchangeable and there exist a large swath of jobs that very few people qualify for (HN should know this) because of the specialization required. America is at near full employment [2]. Replacing American workers with…

Your [3] shows that the government enforces paying H1-Bs competitive salaries, not that it cares about the Americans they replaced.

Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by p_l »

QGQBGdeZREunxLe wrote: post #43

It's always puzzled me that layoffs don't result in a temporary bar from using the H1B system like it does for filing PERMs with the DoL.

They should also trigger holds on bunch of other operations, like stock buyouts or sales by people with active or recent relationship to the company
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