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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by markdown »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #370
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ignoring the spicier broader debate of if the whole Iran campaign was the right call or not How spicy of a debate is that really? How many people outside of the admin and the dwindling hardcore trump base actually thought this was a good idea?

Surprisingly so, I would say. Without going into any identifying details, my buddy, who is otherwise fairly reasonable, thinks it was. I disagree. Reported country split ( US ) seems to fall some along common political lines though, so maybe we shouldn't be so surprised. Then again.. I can no longer can rely on those surveys in any meaningful way.

> seems to fall some along common political lines though

While true, I think it's more correct to say that the determining factor is which television news media people most readily consume.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

bijowo1676 wrote: post #378
anigbrowl wrote: post #337

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The US has lost mutiple KC-125 tankers and an E3 as well, although those were destroyed ont he ground rather than shot down. building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people Just yesterday, Trump was talking about another $1.5 trillion for defense in the coming fiscal year, and saying the US can't afford things like daycare, medicare etc. Iran's military budget as a % of…

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Uh huh. Do you have any confidence that this administration will do a competent job of that inspection? I don't. I mean, they could surprise me...

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Post by craftkiller »

ericmay wrote: post #275
oa335 wrote: post #259

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> Iran has been buying and building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people Iran spends about 2.5% of its GDP on defense, compared to USA at around 3.5%. How much should they be spending? https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locat...

They should probably be closer to 0 or more in line with European countries but these numbers aren’t accurate and don’t tell the full story. They don’t, for example, include money paid to and missiles transferred to Houthis to launch from Yemen. Nevermind Hamas and Hezbollah, rebels in Iraq and so forth.

Europe is just under 2% of their GDP spent on military. Where are you getting this "0" figure? https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by [deleted] »

tasn wrote: post #431
DASD wrote: post #417

List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the 2026 Iran war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_an... Iran: 40, Israel: 18, US: 36, Others: 7

It's a bit weird counting drones in the same list as expensive fighter jets (and other expensive planes).

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Post by ElProlactin »

ericmay wrote: post #371
anigbrowl wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has lost mutiple KC-125 tankers and an E3 as well, although those were destroyed ont he ground rather than shot down. building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people Just yesterday, Trump was talking about another $1.5 trillion for defense in the coming fiscal year, and saying the US can't afford things like daycare, medicare etc. Iran's military budget as a % of…

> The US has lost mutiple KC-125 tankers and an E3 as well, although those were destroyed ont he ground rather than shot down. Which makes them irrelevant here in this discussion but sure yea. Russia (those sneaky guys who invaded Ukraine and are being supplied by Iran) provide targeting information to Iran, Iran has missiles, we can't shoot them all down, and here we are. It's unfortunate but that's what happens in…

> Frankly, these are very good lessons learned by the United States and they're going to come in handy if we end up in another war.

This is an interesting take given that the US seems to have ignored many of the most important lessons from Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

As for "end up in another war", the language you chose is very revealing. You don't just "end up in...war". Wars don't start themselves. Someone starts them and in the case of the US, it's almost always the US.

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Post by epolanski »

> A particular concern, they said, was threats made by the US to Iran’s energy infrastructure. “International law protects from attack objects indispensable to the survival of civilians, and the attacks threatened by Trump, if implemented, could entail war crimes.”

I am not going to lie, I am beyond disgusted at the United States.

And the "it's Trump" card doesn't work, Americans defend this travesty of an old non functioning constitution.

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Post by ericd »

bijowo1676 wrote: post #357
ttul wrote: post #339

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Not to mention the multiple THAAD radars taken offline. Those are $500M assets - and only 8 exist in the world. 24,000 precise transceivers all liquid cooled… not available on Amazon for next day deliver either.

a single AN/FPS-132 radar costs $1.1 bln, not $500m. And Iran stuck 17 of the CENCCOM sites hosting radars of all kinds across Qarar, Bahrain, Iraq, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, etc). Total cost is so much bigger, it is staggering. The whole CENTCOM is blind basically, as well as Iron Dome which relied on these radars - all blind now, in addition to long-range early nuke detection to protect CONUS is also blind. in ad…

Fact check on this brand new account?
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