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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by azernik »

ericmay wrote: post #275
oa335 wrote: post #259

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> Iran has been buying and building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people Iran spends about 2.5% of its GDP on defense, compared to USA at around 3.5%. How much should they be spending? https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locat...

They should probably be closer to 0 or more in line with European countries but these numbers aren’t accurate and don’t tell the full story. They don’t, for example, include money paid to and missiles transferred to Houthis to launch from Yemen. Nevermind Hamas and Hezbollah, rebels in Iraq and so forth.

EU countries spend about 2% of GDP on their militaries. It's not at the high US levels, but it's closer to Iran's number than it is to zero.

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Post by jwilber »

Edman274 wrote: post #292
jwilber wrote: post #262

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…against the viet cong, where the biggest risk was the pilot getting pierced from small arms fire (in addition to the helo going down from pilot error). Quite different from the anti-air weapons modern day Iran possesses.

Are you aware that hundreds of American fixed wing aircraft were lost to surface to air missiles in North Vietnam? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._aircraft_losses_t...

Ah yeah, well I didn’t know it was that high!

But I’m responding to the rescue mission comment, which, since Vietnam, have overwhelmingly employed helicopters (Huey’s then, Black Hawks today). But machinery aside, the larger point is that air operations will likely go worse here than they did in Vietnam, unfortunately for both sides.

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

cestith wrote: post #253
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #111

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Your comment is a perfect setup for the cynicism olympics where people rush to say you could never trust the govt.

You should never trust this administration. The US government in general has a spotty history, but this administration does nothing trustworthy.

I think the problem is that in previous administrations at least they had some skill in lying in ways that were not so constantly contradicting one another.

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Post by potatototoo99 »

ksd482 wrote: post #388
potatototoo99 wrote: post #365

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Of course I'm serious, why would my age affect how I feel about a soldier dying invading another country? But you are right that probably in the big context of things a POW is better for negotiating an ealier cease fire, which would ultimately be the better outcome.

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Post by russdill »

watwut wrote: post #391
soupfordummies wrote: post #348

At what point is congress gonna grow a spine and retake their power? Every day the goalposts just get moved a little farther.

Republicans in congress support it. It is not about congress not having abstract spine. It is about republican congressmen actively supporting all of this.

And bonus, they don't have to go on record voting for all the things they support but know are immensely unpopular.

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Post by harambae »

zabzonk wrote: post #241
kackerlacker wrote: post #207

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This is exactly the situation I think of when I hear news of rescue missions. Running a rescue in a place with functional air defense is a recursive rescue problem that could quickly get out of control.

The US did it all the time in Vietnam.

Not sure if it was actually used, but a fun idea for pilot recovery..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiller_ROE_Rotorcycle

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Post by rootusrootus »

jjtwixman wrote: post #366
wellthanks wrote: post #353

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Time to put on your big boy pants and take some personal responsibility. The American people voted for this, they wanted this.

> The American people voted for this, they wanted this.

Less than half of the people who bothered to vote actually picked the guy.

I even believe that a non-trivial number of those folks actually believed their own rhetoric about America first, no wars, etc. But their commitment to one man is stronger than their commitment to ideals, and so here we are.

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