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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by ranger207 »

andriy_koval wrote: post #322
ranger207 wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both F-15s lost in the 1st Gulf War were the air-to-ground focused F-15E Strike Eagles. https://rjlee.org/air/ds-aaloss/

per wiki, f-15e was first produced in 1987, so there were very few in service at that time, and most of ground strikes were carried by other aircrafts.

Yes, most ground strikes were by other aircraft types, but the F-15E did have a lot of sorties, almost as many as the F-111 or F-4G (although the F-16 had many, many more sorties, but not all of them were air-to-ground)

Source is the Gulf War Airpower Survey, page 184 (PDF page 205): https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA273996.pdf

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by jmyeet »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #244
jmyeet wrote: post #214

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There are 4 players in this war and they all have very different goals and "victory" conditions. 1. Israel wants to ruin Iran permanently, to turn it into Somalia 2.0, meaning a quasi-state with no organized, central government. Were they to succeed in this it would be a humantarian disaster the likes of which we haven't seen since probably WW2. Tens of millions of refugees that will probably collapse surrounding cou…

Not sure how the US comes back from this. Who will trust US treaties going forward?

I don't think we do. I think this is our Teutoburg Forest moment [1].

Part of the issue is there's no real opposition in the US to what's going on. The Democrats being the controlled opposition party aren't in opposition to the war (eg [2][3][4]). They just oppose the way it was initiated. In other words, they have a process objection not a policy objection.

I've seen lamenting over Harris losing the elction (as well as more than a few doing "stolen election") about how the world could be different. But US foreign policy is uniparty

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest

[2]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-...

[3]: https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/lea...

[4]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/hakeem-jeffries-wo...

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

YZF wrote: post #350
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #255

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> ignoring the spicier broader debate of if the whole Iran campaign was the right call or not How spicy of a debate is that really? How many people outside of the admin and the dwindling hardcore trump base actually thought this was a good idea?

Apparently 37.7% of Americans, so roughly 116 million people, support the war. I'm not sure "this was a good idea" was a the exact question though. https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/54454-most-americans-oppos... https://www.natesilver.net/p/iran-war-polls-popularity-appro... Clearly this war isn't popular but that's a far cry from saying there's no debate. Like many other topics/questions we're seeing people followin…

Your first link says 28% support it, so somewhere between 28 and 37%. I do wonder how many of those people could find Iran on a map, though I suppose you could ask the same about the people who are against it.

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Post by MarkMarine »

budman1 wrote: post #329
ambicapter wrote: post #316

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If you're doing SERE school you're probably not on a 4 year contract. Pilots have 10 year contracts.

some enlisted air crew go to SERE. loadmasters, airborne intelligence, and SMA (Special Mission Aviators). As an added benefit, enlisted air crew have no restrictions on mustache length or on professional wear of the uniform.

Add Huey crew chiefs to this list

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Post by watwut »

spwa4 wrote: post #112
tjpnz wrote: post #44

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Why wouldn't they?

First: count the responses to my thread of people suggesting Iran cannot/should not be held to the Geneva convention: 4,5 (I'm counting the Hegseth comment as 0.5) The point is there are a great deal of people, even in the US, who advocate that it is unreasonable to hold people fighting the west in general and US in particular to the Geneva conventions. I don't know where this idea comes from, because morally it is o…

France vetoed proposal about opening the straight by force. France and Europe in general dont want to dragged into this war.

Also, I dont see UN punishing Israel or American war crimes either ... so it makes sense to not apply "whatever goes" standard to aggressors and different one to the defender.

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Post by ohhman11 »

nerevarthelame wrote: post #360
unselect5917 wrote: post #334

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While criticism of Israel should not be conflated with antisemitism, the concept of a "Zionist Occupation Government," without question, originates from neo-nazi conspiracy theories. Take that shit elsewhere.

At this point Israelis (and the bulk of Israel-backing jews around the world) only have themselves to blame for the resurgence of neo-nazi conspiracy theories.

>antisemitic conspiracy theory that claims that Jews secretly control the U.S. government.

Anyway, this just seems to be fact, and not a conspiracy theory? Besides for the "secretly" part.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by ACCount37 »

karp773 wrote: post #46

Why didn't Iran use its capability to take down enemy jets for an entire month?

Probably because their air defenses were too busy getting shot to shit.

There was a lot of Iranian AA losses in the opening phase of this war. US went town on anything that looked remotely like AA to secure the sky for themselves, and operated with ever-increasing impunity since.

Between advanced ISR, stealth, ECM and stand-off munitions, US has a lot of tools to make the lives of AA crews into a living hell.

It's unclear what happened here exactly. It might be a "straggler" SAM that wasn't destroyed in the strikes, might be US going too aggressively and putting reduced survivability airframes within an area that wasn't sufficiently cleared, might be an Iranian adaptation not unlike the "SAMbushes" seen in Ukraine.

I don't see it as a sign that Iran is somehow reconstituting its AA capabilities though.

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Post by ksd482 »

potatototoo99 wrote: post #365
pwarner wrote: post #59

I hope the aviators are OK, and also hope whoever they were bombing are also OK. I do wonder if Iran finds them first, will they treat them better than the US treated survivors of the ship sunk by a US torpedo in the Indiana Ocean?

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by juliusceasar »

bijowo1676 wrote: post #357
ttul wrote: post #339

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Not to mention the multiple THAAD radars taken offline. Those are $500M assets - and only 8 exist in the world. 24,000 precise transceivers all liquid cooled… not available on Amazon for next day deliver either.

a single AN/FPS-132 radar costs $1.1 bln, not $500m. And Iran stuck 17 of the CENCCOM sites hosting radars of all kinds across Qarar, Bahrain, Iraq, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, etc). Total cost is so much bigger, it is staggering. The whole CENTCOM is blind basically, as well as Iron Dome which relied on these radars - all blind now, in addition to long-range early nuke detection to protect CONUS is also blind. in ad…

This is good news. Actually not for those whom chose to start the 2nd Epstein war.

I really hope that Israeli and Iranian governments both go to hell. May both destroy each other.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by nielsbot »

roadbuster wrote: post #116

During the entire gulf war (Iraq, 1990-91), only two F-15s were shot down via surface-to-air engagement. At the time, Baghdad was known to have the highest density of SAM protection out of any city in the world. An F-15 being shot down in Iran after weeks of strategic bombing of their anti-air defense systems is not a good sign.

I also saw some news saying an F-35 was possibly hit--but I can't find any reasonable-seeming sources to confirm that. Maybe someone here knows more?
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