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Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by longislandguido »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #124
oaweoifjwpo wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the icons are just hidden and you can't find them in order to use the programs you have running, that's not "just working". That's broken functionality. Windows has solved this with the overflow menu for literally decades.

I’ve been solely mac user for the past 15+ years, and have no idea what this thread is talking about. I think, as the other person said, we make assumptions on what’s a problem for others, when in reality, it’s not a big deal.

Why does every Mac complaint thread since the beginning of time always feature the "I've never heard of this so it must not be a legitimate issue" guy?

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

#132

Post by odo1242 »

dangus wrote: post #125
oaweoifjwpo wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the icons are just hidden and you can't find them in order to use the programs you have running, that's not "just working". That's broken functionality. Windows has solved this with the overflow menu for literally decades.

It will not only cut off icons but the menus for applications when they have a lot of them. There is no way to fix it except to change your scaling or connect a second monitor. I should save this thread for every time someone tries to tell me that Windows is a horrible operating system that is a major reason to not buy a computer when I say things like "The MacBook Neo isn't that good of a deal and you can totally fi…

Do you have a suggestion for a Windows laptop that’s a better buy than the MacBook Neo? I kinda want a Windows laptop (for being able to run simple games, mostly) but not sure which one

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

#133

Post by fragmede »

longislandguido wrote: post #131
tokioyoyo wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been solely mac user for the past 15+ years, and have no idea what this thread is talking about. I think, as the other person said, we make assumptions on what’s a problem for others, when in reality, it’s not a big deal.

Why does every Mac complaint thread since the beginning of time always feature the "I've never heard of this so it must not be a legitimate issue" guy?

Ah, but does it work when mice are using the computer, or is it only when humans are.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

#134

Post by nozzlegear »

whimblepop wrote: post #114
nozzlegear wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run into it when using Rider. I have text size increased on my Macbook and Rider has 8000 menu items, so my menu icons (all of which are default macOS, no third-party stuff) will be hidden to make room for Rider's stuff. I have to switch over to another workspace or window (i.e. away from Rider) if I want to access one of them. It's annoying but I'm not sure who I blame here; Rider I guess, for having a zillion men…

Why not blame Apple for having a busted-ass menu bar design? The behavior of "if the menu is busy, icons just disappear" and advice like "apps shouldn't rely on menu bar icons" are just bad ideas. They don't work well with how people use computers or how developers write apps. It's a bad design.

I prefer to blame Rider because it's the only app where I encounter this problem, and it seems more like a "don't make your list of menu entries so long it spans the notch and pokes into the menu icons" error than anything else to me. Simple as.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

#136

Post by JSR_FDED »

longislandguido wrote: post #123
inopinatus wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That phrase "just works" speaks more to vertical integration than it does to any more specific claim about UX, alignment to preferences, or immediate productivity, and to demonstrate how foundationally this is encoded, you implicitly alluded as much in that opening phrase "a mac, the OS" that directly conflated the hardware and the software. Frankly, I prefer the mac because there's so little arsing around with drive…

> Frankly, I prefer the mac because there's so little arsing around with drivers All Windows laptops come preinstalled, there's no arsing about with drivers there either. Unless you install the bare OS from scratch. Apple bundles the drivers for their hardware with their OS. Good luck with plugging in anything non-Apple branded or not using standard USB audio or Ethernet CDC and you're 100% having to muck about with…

> you're 100% having to muck about with sketchy kexts

Apple has replaced kexts (kernel extensions) with a user-space alternative for many years now

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

#137

Post by devilbunny »

dangus wrote: post #125
oaweoifjwpo wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the icons are just hidden and you can't find them in order to use the programs you have running, that's not "just working". That's broken functionality. Windows has solved this with the overflow menu for literally decades.

It will not only cut off icons but the menus for applications when they have a lot of them. There is no way to fix it except to change your scaling or connect a second monitor. I should save this thread for every time someone tries to tell me that Windows is a horrible operating system that is a major reason to not buy a computer when I say things like "The MacBook Neo isn't that good of a deal and you can totally fi…

I’m with odo1242, where’s a $700 Windows laptop that has the Neo qualities? I like my Thinkpad - it’s currently my only Windows machine - but it was $1300 or so for the entry-level model (not going to count my add-ons).

I don’t love Windows, but I don’t hate it either. Amazing backward compatibility, and that is not to be ignored.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by vicchenai »

This feels like one of those bugs that sounds niche until you put a work Mac through the usual gauntlet of VPN, MDM, chat, calendar, backup, and whatever else corp IT adds. Not catastrophic, but it is kind of wild that macOS still has no first party overflow affordance for menu bar icons.
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