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March heat in American west has left snowpack at record-low levels

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Re: March heat in American west has left snowpack at record-low levels

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There are quite a few comments here talking about how comparing images from feb/march isn’t useful. Here’s data on what’s going on. This snowtel location is within the Utah picture in the article.

https://www.cbrfc.noaa.gov/dbdata/station/swegraph/swegraph_...

Re: March heat in American west has left snowpack at record-low levels

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I don't see the point in comparing photos of snow coverage in feb 2026 to the same area in march 2026. March is a spring month, of course snow coverage will be worse. Itd be more shocking if the snow coverage increased. they should show march 2026 vs. march 2025/2024/2023 etc.

March is a spring month at sea level.

Re: March heat in American west has left snowpack at record-low levels

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The polar bears are drowning up north. I would say climate catastrophe is already here... at least for them.

The polar bear population has steadily been increasing since the 1960s [1]. Basically double what it was. The more falsifiable information you use the less you are helping the cause. [1] - https://thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2024/02/Crockford-State-...

Speaking of falsifiable info:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/27/fac...

> Experts say the rising tally of polar bears reflects an increased ability to track bears – not an actual increase in the population. The graph is based on various estimates of the global population that include unscientific estimates, extrapolation and insufficient data sets, according to scientists.

Re: March heat in American west has left snowpack at record-low levels

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Shouldn't we be past being "stunned"? The past 11 years are the hottest 11 years on record. Climate catastrophe is coming, soon. Everybody knows this, even the vocal deniers (the ones with power, not the sheep they feed propaganda to). They've simply decided to profit off it instead of trying to slow it down. The "drill, baby, drill", "clean beautiful coal" lunacy and wanting to invade Greenland and Canada are all di…

Yes, winters are getting worse and worse, but this year was really bad, way worse than any predictions. I was in Park City in February and there was so little snow it looked like summer, and that was before the streak of warm and dry weather this article is talking about. I literally hiked up to the 2002/2034 Olympic facilities in 55 degree weather with no snow on the ground, while the Olympics were still going on in Milan. And I was in Park City because they had more snow than Colorado...

Re: March heat in American west has left snowpack at record-low levels

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post #4

I don't see the point in comparing photos of snow coverage in feb 2026 to the same area in march 2026. March is a spring month, of course snow coverage will be worse. Itd be more shocking if the snow coverage increased. they should show march 2026 vs. march 2025/2024/2023 etc.

> March is a spring month, of course snow coverage will be worse.

Peak snow cover in the west (California) is expected to be in early April. December was an intense month of rainfall and the snowpack was trending towards above average, but then a dry Feb and a heatwave in March not only ensured the pack didn’t grow but pretty much nuked whatever cover early season rains brought. It is shocking because in December it was looking like historical snow and it went into catastrophic shortage in 3 months.

Re: March heat in American west has left snowpack at record-low levels

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I'm at in the Sierra, March is typically very close to as snowy as Dec/Jan/Feb and the snowpack is still increasing, not decreasing. Late March is typically the peak depth. March avg snowfall is 62", this year we got 1", the driest March on record, on top of it being incredibly warm.

As a naive tourist, I did not know this. I drove up to Sequoia National Park in March 2011 hoping to camp. The roads were plowed, with eight feet tall snow on either side of the road. I drove up to a visitor center and asked where to camp. The park ranger said I could camp anywhere I wanted. Maybe he assumed I knew what I was doing. But I did not. After walking around the parking lot for a bit, with nowhere else to g…

2011 was a big snow year too. I was in the high country in August of 2011. Muir Pass was a huge snow field.

Re: March heat in American west has left snowpack at record-low levels

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I have to ask because this makes no sense to me: In the article, there is a picture of 3 workers taking a snow survey and finding "zero measurement of snow". This is reported as "the second lowest since 2015". How is any measurement of a quantity of an item less than zero? You can't have negative snow to my knowledge.

The writing in this article indeed isn't great.

I believe what they're saying is that the 2015 measurement was also zero. So this year's measurement isn't the "second-lowest", it's the "second equally lowest". That's the only way I could interpret it.

Re: March heat in American west has left snowpack at record-low levels

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Shouldn't we be past being "stunned"? The past 11 years are the hottest 11 years on record. Climate catastrophe is coming, soon. Everybody knows this, even the vocal deniers (the ones with power, not the sheep they feed propaganda to). They've simply decided to profit off it instead of trying to slow it down. The "drill, baby, drill", "clean beautiful coal" lunacy and wanting to invade Greenland and Canada are all di…

Can’t remember the exact quote, but there is something in The Omen II about future wars being fought over food (Thorn corporation being involved in agriculture/fertiliser or something).

Last time that I saw it I wondered if the Ukraine conflict might be about control of the “Breadbasket of Europe” as much as anything.

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