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Re: For Zelda-playing daughter, Dad gives Link a sex change

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I missed the joke entirely at first, but I'm glad I read your comments before posting some obtuse, self-righteous reply like I normally would :) Now I'll have to check out tptacek's "must read" list.

You should totally do that. I don't know how anyone reads HN any other way. (Not with my specific list, but with a list of people who will anchor sane conversations).

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Re: For Zelda-playing daughter, Dad gives Link a sex change

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As usual, a negative post has floated to the top. This time from one of Hacker News' most prolific and highly rated posters. It's not about being PC, it's about a cool hack and supporting one's daughters.

Ahhh, nerddom.

Other Poes gaze on in awe and horror

Re: For Zelda-playing daughter, Dad gives Link a sex change

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I don't understand why parents feel the need to be so politically correct. As 'yummyfajitas is sure to point out shortly, every empirical study ever conducted has shown that males have a statistically significant advantage in slaying Octoroks and Peahats.

This isn't political correctness run amok. This is simply a father trying to provide a positive female role model for his young daughter. Y'know, so she doesn't get the impression that heroism, accomplishment, ingenuity and adventure are of solely male provenance. I'm curious - if it was a black father modding in a dark-skinned Link what would your reaction be?

Horrified. White people are better at killing Octoroks, and if telling black people that hurts their feelings, we should blame the Octoroks, not the white people.

Re: For Zelda-playing daughter, Dad gives Link a sex change

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Samus is hardly an exception; put into a suit that erases secondary sexual characteristics, the question of gender was (in the first game) left until the last possible minute, as nothing more than a "gotcha." In future games, Samus's gender is still hidden behind the suit.

And the one game where they tried to actually make a character of her, Other M , portrayed her as embarrassingly weak-willed (making sure to make it about her gender as obviously as they could, no less) and verging on obsessive toward her (male) superior officer. Metroid is a great series, but they do not win points for this.

To be fair, Other M was developed by a different studio. To keep my sanity, I regard it as non-canonical.

Re: For Zelda-playing daughter, Dad gives Link a sex change

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> just as I wouldn't rewrite Hamlet as a girl for my daughter Actually, that's sort of an interesting thought experiment. I was going to point out "Get thee to a nunnery," but I guess "monastery" would work fine. I think the act of rewriting Hamlet with gender-flips would be a nice exploration of sexism.

Actually, that's sort of an interesting thought experiment. http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2000/aug/23/artsfeatures.e... It's been noted that in many parts of Africa, the reaction to Hamlet's reaction to his uncle would be: A man dies, so his brother marries the widow -- that's the good and proper thing to do!

Marrying your brother's widow was the good and proper thing to do in England (or Denmark for that matter). That's not what makes Claudius the bad guy.

Re: For Zelda-playing daughter, Dad gives Link a sex change

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Obvious solution is obvious. Children need to be forced to play more Metroid.

And only Metroid? Or can you produce a list?

Final Fantasy X arguably. X 2 for sure. XII and XIII as well.

Ironically, the first games I thought of, Fallout and Elder Scrolls, are probably not the best choice for a girl who can't read yet.

Re: For Zelda-playing daughter, Dad gives Link a sex change

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I find this an appropriate comment by Hofstadter, in the Intro to 'Godel Escher Bach', on the gender of the Tortoise: The Tortoise turns out never to have been attributed either gender. But when I first read it, the question never entered my mind. This was clearly a he-tortoise. After all, an author only introduces a female character for some special reason, right? Whereas a male character in a neutral context needs…

This was clearly a he-tortoise. After all, an author only introduces a female character for some special reason, right? This kind of thing certainly applies to me and music. For some reason, it's hardly noticed when a North American of Hungarian, Polish, or French descent decides to play Irish Traditional music, but someone with Hispanic, African, or Asian descent playing that kind of music is frequently asked questi…

I think the assumption is that white people are the default kind of Irish people. White people playing some manner of traditional African music get asked the same questions, and it's not because black people are the default, normal human beings.

Re: For Zelda-playing daughter, Dad gives Link a sex change

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I don't understand why parents feel the need to be so politically correct. As 'yummyfajitas is sure to point out shortly, every empirical study ever conducted has shown that males have a statistically significant advantage in slaying Octoroks and Peahats.

I find this an appropriate comment by Hofstadter, in the Intro to 'Godel Escher Bach', on the gender of the Tortoise: The Tortoise turns out never to have been attributed either gender. But when I first read it, the question never entered my mind. This was clearly a he-tortoise. After all, an author only introduces a female character for some special reason, right? Whereas a male character in a neutral context needs…

Hofstadter also wrote this: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html regarding gendered language.

Re: For Zelda-playing daughter, Dad gives Link a sex change

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Samus is hardly an exception; put into a suit that erases secondary sexual characteristics, the question of gender was (in the first game) left until the last possible minute, as nothing more than a "gotcha." In future games, Samus's gender is still hidden behind the suit.

With all due respect, if Nintendo were to introduce Samus with the blue suit that she's wearing in the latest game, then we would have other kinds of problems, mostly to do with how female characters are designed to appeal the male audience. My personal preference is that I like her wearing the classic yellow suit. After all, if a male can wear protective gear when he fights against pirates in space, I don't see why…

To be fair, the only games where the zero suit is featured except for the end game are:

* "Metroid: Zero Mission" She crashes, and thus doesn't have the power suit (for a while). Also, it was for the GameBoy, so the sex-appeal isn't as strong.

* "Super Smash Brothers" is probably the worst offender. (not a Metroid game)

* "Metroid: Other M": It apparently has minor occurrences throughout.

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