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Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by rakel_rakel »

59nadir wrote: post #25
mergesort wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey there, author of the post here. I actually agree with this! That is in fact why I used the word maybe — my comment really was meant to be more speculative than definitive.

I think one thing that goes unmentioned is that maybe code quality is really not that important for trivial things, because they can be trivially reproduced if need be. I would argue Claude Code is exactly such a project; coding agents are incredibly simple and rewriting CC wouldn't be much of a problem. Non-trivial things tend to be much more sensitive to code quality in my experience, and will by necessity be kept…

> maybe code quality is really not that important for trivial things

I hear this narrative being pushed quite a bit, and it makes my spidey senses tingle every time. Secure programs are a subset of correct programs, and to write and maintain correct programs you need to have a quality mindset.

A 0-day doesn't care if it's in a part of your computer you consider trivial or not.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by Finbarr »

Who cares that the code is garbage? As the models get bigger and more powerful it will be trivial to fully refactor the whole codebase. It’s coming sooner than you think.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by raincole »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #9

I wonder what happened to the person that wrote "Coding as Creative Expression" ( https://build.ms/2022/5/21/coding-as-creative-expression/ )? I'm not (just) being glib. That earlier article displays some introspection and thoughtful consideration of an old debate. The writing style is clearly personal, human. Today's post is not so much. It has LLM fingerprints on it. It's longer, there are more words. But it doesn'…

What changed is you, the reader. In 2026 we treat the smallest signs as evidence of LLM writing. Too long? LLM. Too short? LLM. Too grammatically correct? Must be LLM.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by trhway »

kstenerud wrote: post #30

> It should serve as a warning to developers that the code doesn’t seem to matter, even in a product built for developers. Code doesn't matter IN THE EARLY DAYS. This is similar to what I've observed over 25 years in the industry. In a startup, the code doesn't really matter; the market fit does. But as time goes on your codebase has to mature, or else you end up using more and more resources on maintenance rather th…

alternatively the code can go the way of "fast fashion" and even "3d-print your garments in the morning according to your feelings and weather and recycle at the end of the day".

If dealing with a functionality that is splittable into microfeatures/microservices, then anything that you need right now can potentially be vibe-coded, even on the fly (and deleted afterwards). Single-use code.

>But as time goes on your codebase has to mature, or else you end up using more and more resources on maintenance rather than innovation.

tremendous resource sink in enterprise software. Solving it, even if making it just avoidable - may be Anthropic goes that way and leads the others - would be a huge revolution.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by tpoacher »

mergesort wrote: post #11
thaumaturgy wrote: post #9

I wonder what happened to the person that wrote "Coding as Creative Expression" ( https://build.ms/2022/5/21/coding-as-creative-expression/ )? I'm not (just) being glib. That earlier article displays some introspection and thoughtful consideration of an old debate. The writing style is clearly personal, human. Today's post is not so much. It has LLM fingerprints on it. It's longer, there are more words. But it doesn'…

Hey there, author of the post here! I actually wrote this piece myself on my phone while I was out for a walk this morning. It was initially meant to be a quick note more than a full blog post —- whereas Coding As A Creative Expression took me a couple of days to write. I made a commitment to write more this year and put my thoughts out quicker than I used to, so that’s likely the primary reason it’s not as deep of a…

Reminds me of the classic Mark Twain quote: "Apologies, I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one."

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by uduni »

" The real value in the AI ecosystem isn’t the model or the harness — it’s the integration of both working seamlessly together. "

Wut? The value in the ecosystem is the model. Harnesses are simple. Great models work nearly identically in every harness

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by queenkjuul »

kstenerud wrote: post #30

> It should serve as a warning to developers that the code doesn’t seem to matter, even in a product built for developers. Code doesn't matter IN THE EARLY DAYS. This is similar to what I've observed over 25 years in the industry. In a startup, the code doesn't really matter; the market fit does. But as time goes on your codebase has to mature, or else you end up using more and more resources on maintenance rather th…

My CTO mentioned today how we haven't ever had to revision our API such that it breaks users, and even then, our v2 is still so compatible that client builds from 2017 are still vaguely useful for the end user.

But now everything is, "ship as fast as is humanly possible, literally" from management, and "garbage Claude-written PRs" from devs. Trying to maintain sanity over my monorepo is impossible.

We have nearly a century of examples of "somebody who only mostly understands making a breaking change" and decided, "what the hell, this thing is called Claude, so it can wreak havoc for as long as corporate decides"

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by bostik »

mergesort wrote: post #11
thaumaturgy wrote: post #9

I wonder what happened to the person that wrote "Coding as Creative Expression" ( https://build.ms/2022/5/21/coding-as-creative-expression/ )? I'm not (just) being glib. That earlier article displays some introspection and thoughtful consideration of an old debate. The writing style is clearly personal, human. Today's post is not so much. It has LLM fingerprints on it. It's longer, there are more words. But it doesn'…

Hey there, author of the post here! I actually wrote this piece myself on my phone while I was out for a walk this morning. It was initially meant to be a quick note more than a full blog post —- whereas Coding As A Creative Expression took me a couple of days to write. I made a commitment to write more this year and put my thoughts out quicker than I used to, so that’s likely the primary reason it’s not as deep of a…

>wrote this piece myself on my phone while I was out for a walk

If you have a strategy for jotting down (or dictating) notes while walking about, I would be curious how you manage that. I spend plenty of time walking outside, and tend to get (at the time) ideas that I'd like to explore further, most of which have evaporated from my mind by the time I get back home. Or even before I can get my phone out to jot down the keywords to help me recall the details later.

Cannot even imagine how someone would manage both walking and writing at the same time.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

uduni wrote: post #36

" The real value in the AI ecosystem isn’t the model or the harness — it’s the integration of both working seamlessly together. " Wut? The value in the ecosystem is the model. Harnesses are simple. Great models work nearly identically in every harness

Harnesses are simple (kind of? Some certainly aren't, but I'd agree that they can be simple) but they deliver a ton of value. They have a significant ROI.

I agree that good models have more value because a harness can't magically make a bad model good, but there's a lot that would be inordinately difficult without a proper harness.

Keeping models on rails is still important, if not essential. Great models might behave similarly in the same harness, but I suppose the value prop is that they wouldn't behave as well on the same task without a good harness.

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