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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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I started calling it LLM assisted coding. If you know what you’re doing but use LLMs to do tedious stuff and educate yourself on the unfamiliar bits you can move quite fast. The term vibe coding does not do that process justice imho.

Vybrid coding :)

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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There's definitely a trade-off, but it's a lopsided one that favors AI. Before AI, you were often encumbered with the superficial aspects of a plan or implementation. So much that we often would start implementing first and then kinda feel it out as we go, saving advanced considerations and edge-cases for the future since we're not even sure what the impl will be. That's useful for getting a visceral read on how a so…

Unless you go through the code with a tooth comb, you're not even aware of what trade-offs the AI has made for you. We've all just seen the Claude Code source code. 4k class files. Weird try/catches. Weird trade-offs. Basic bugs people have been begging to fix left untouched. Yes, there's a revolution happening. Yes, it makes you more productive. But stop huffing the kool-aid and be realistic. If you think you're sti…

I feel this is the key - three years ago everyone on HN would be able to define "technical debt" and how it was bad and they hated it but had to live with it.

We've now build a machine capable of something that can't even be called "technical debt" anymore - perhaps "technical usury" or something, and we're all supposed to love it.

Most coders know that support and maintenance of code will far outlast and out weigh the effort required to build it.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…

Coded with AI != slop. AI in the hands of the right person can actually be good. That's gotten _especially_ true in the past few months.

whether people want to admit it or not, agent encoding is kind of the norm right now and I think the fear is the stories coming out of places like Block, Inc where they announced they fired 4,000 engineers a couple days ago because of what's the obvious truth today versus 6 months ago.... one expert software engineer can do the work of 20-40 people, so why do we need so many people? it's a hard pill to swallow, it's easier to claim that agentic coding doesn't work or that the code is sloppy and it doesn't work when in reality most companies are currently using it everyday, especially the large ones.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.

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"Don't be snarky."

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…

I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.

Does Cloudflare use EmDash in production? Showing that its design and implementation have been refined through real-world use would help instil confidence.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Why?!

Half the websites on wordpress moved to shopify, squarespace, etc. a very long time ago. The remaining half were blogs, personal pages, wikis, etc. that moved to community/social platforms created in the past decade(s). In a few cases out of all this someone finally learned how to write/host a webpage themselves (imagine that)! It's even easier with AI now.

I'm totally serious when I ask "why". Who actually uses a CMS or anything like that anymore? It's madness!

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Cloudflare doesn't do April fools jokes. In fact, 1.1.1.1 was released on April 1st back in 2018 and now it's one of the most used DNS service in the world.

8 years later and now I'm getting the 4 1's joke.

I still don't get it
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