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Intuiting Pratt Parsing

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Love Pratt parsing! Not a compiler guy, but I've spent way too many hours reflecting on parsing. I remember trying to get though the dragon book so many times and reading all about formal grammar etc. Until I landed on; recursive descent parsing + Pratt for expressions. Super simple technique, and for me is sufficient. I'm sure it doesn't cover all cases, but just for toy languages it feels like we can usually do eve…

Until you need to do more than all-or-nothing parsing :) see tree-sitter for example, or any other efficient LSP implementation of incremental parsing.

It is easily possible to parse at > 1MM lines per second with a well designed grammar and handwritten parser. If I'm editing a file with 100k+ lines, I likely have much bigger problems than the need for incremental parsing.

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Is there a production compiler out there that doesn't use recursive descent, preferably constructed from combinators? Table-driven parsers seem now to be a "tell" of an old compiler or a hobby project.

Some people appreciate that an LR/LALR parser generator can prove non-ambiguity and linear time parse-ability of a grammar. A couple of examples are the creator of the Oil shell, and one of the guys responsible for Rust. It does make me wonder though about why grammars have to be so complicated that such high-powered tools are needed. Isn't the gist of LR/LALR that the states of an automaton that can parse CFGs can b…

Production compilers must have robust error recovery and great error messages, and those are pretty straightforward in recursive descent, even if ad hoc.

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Is there a production compiler out there that doesn't use recursive descent, preferably constructed from combinators? Table-driven parsers seem now to be a "tell" of an old compiler or a hobby project.

Oh, I was talking much more about how you can first learn how to write a compiler. I wasn't talking about how you write a production industry-strength compiler. Btw, I mentioned parser combinators: those are basically just a front-end. Similar to regular expressions. The implementation can be all kinds of things, eg could be recursive descent or a table or backtracking or whatever. (Even finite automata, if your comb…

I used a small custom parser combinator library to parse Fortran from raw characters (since tokenization is so context-dependent), and it's worked well.

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Love Pratt parsing! Not a compiler guy, but I've spent way too many hours reflecting on parsing. I remember trying to get though the dragon book so many times and reading all about formal grammar etc. Until I landed on; recursive descent parsing + Pratt for expressions. Super simple technique, and for me is sufficient. I'm sure it doesn't cover all cases, but just for toy languages it feels like we can usually do eve…

The Dragon book is not very good, to be honest. It was probably decent when all you had was something like Pascal and you wanted to write a C compiler. Parsing and compiling and interpreting etc are all much more at home in functional languages. Much easier to understand there. And once you do, then you can translate back into imperative. For parsing: by default you should be using parser combinators.

I was just going into the second quarter of compiler design when the dragon book came out. My copy was still literally “hot of the press” — still warm from the ink baking ovens. It was worlds better that anything else available at the time.

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The Dragon book is not very good, to be honest. It was probably decent when all you had was something like Pascal and you wanted to write a C compiler. Parsing and compiling and interpreting etc are all much more at home in functional languages. Much easier to understand there. And once you do, then you can translate back into imperative. For parsing: by default you should be using parser combinators.

Is there a production compiler out there that doesn't use recursive descent, preferably constructed from combinators? Table-driven parsers seem now to be a "tell" of an old compiler or a hobby project.

The thing about LR parsers is that since it is parsing bottom-up, you have no idea what larger syntactic structure is being built, so error recovery is ugly, and giving the user a sensible error message is a fool’s errand.

In the end, all the hard work in a compiler is in the back-end optimization phases. Put your mental energy there.

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I can recommend anyone reading pratts original paper. Its written in a very cool and badass style. https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/512927.512931

For some reason I struggled to get my head around Pratt parsing. Then I read an offhand comment on Reddit that said to start with a recursive descent parser and add table parsing to that. Once I did that it all clicked.

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An even simpler way imo, is explicit functions instead of a precedence table, then the code pretty much has the same structure as EBNF. Need to parse * before +? Begin at add, have it call parse_mul for its left and right sides, and so on. parse_mul() { left = parse_literal() while(is_mul_token()) { // left associative right = parse_literal() make_mul_node(left, right) } } parse_add() { left = parse_mul() while(is_ad…

You lose in versatility, then you can't add user-defined operators, which is pretty easy with a Pratt parser.

You can have user-defined operators with plain old recursive descent.

Consider if you had functions called parse_user_ops_precedence_1, parse_user_ops_precedence_2, etc. These would simply take a table of user-defined operators as an argument (or reference some shared/global state), and participate in the same recursive callstack as all your other parsing functions.

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Until you need to do more than all-or-nothing parsing :) see tree-sitter for example, or any other efficient LSP implementation of incremental parsing.

It is easily possible to parse at > 1MM lines per second with a well designed grammar and handwritten parser. If I'm editing a file with 100k+ lines, I likely have much bigger problems than the need for incremental parsing.

It's not just speed - incremental parsing allows for better error recovery. In practice, this means that your editor can highlight the code as-you-type, even though what you're typing has broken the parse tree (especially the code after your edit point).

Re: Intuiting Pratt Parsing

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An even simpler way imo, is explicit functions instead of a precedence table, then the code pretty much has the same structure as EBNF. Need to parse * before +? Begin at add, have it call parse_mul for its left and right sides, and so on. parse_mul() { left = parse_literal() while(is_mul_token()) { // left associative right = parse_literal() make_mul_node(left, right) } } parse_add() { left = parse_mul() while(is_ad…

With a couple of function pointers you can climb precedence with just functions:

  parse_left_to_right(with(), is_token()) {
    left = with()
    while(is_token()) {
      right = with()
      left = operate(left, right, operator)
    }
    ret left;
  }

  p0() { ret lex digit or ident; };
  p1() { ret parse_left_right(p0, is_mul); };
  p2() { ret parse_left_right(p1, is_add); };
... and so on for all operators

Re: Intuiting Pratt Parsing

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I can recommend anyone reading pratts original paper. Its written in a very cool and badass style. https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/512927.512931

> Its written in a very cool and badass style. Out of curiosity, what do you mean by this? Do you mean you like the prose, or the typesetting, or...?

I cannot say what this person means, and I have never read this paper before, but just the fourth paragraph of the paper has piqued my interest and I will read it all.
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