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Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Some 20 years ago there was a story about a guy who was opening a bank account. The bank sent the contract, the guy ameneded it with things like "you will give le unlimited credit that I do not need to repay" (if my memory serves me right). He signed, sent both copies, got his bank signed copy back Went yo the bank, the bank sued him, he won (the judge told the bank that when you play dirty games you sometimes loose)…

...In Russia. That wouldn't work in the U.S. Changes to material terms in a contract generally informed consent (meaning, that the modifications are actually disclosed to the counterparty before they sign) or specific consent (such as a initializing the sections of the contract where the modifications occur). This is a basic part of the UCC, which all states have adopted in some form. There are a lot of people on the…

It's depressing to see how the system works. Sure, now there are different kind of terms in a contract, some are material terms and some are... immaterial? And conveniently, you can change some but not others in such a way that the banks and powerful corporations always come out on top.

I never heard of a corporation being forced to point out explicitly which lines in their long terms and conditions document have changed. But it's a well known obligation for regular citizens, because material terms.

> that the modifications are actually disclosed to the counterparty before they sign

Does Microsoft explicitly draw your attention to the fact that Copilot is for entertainment purposes? No, it buries that in a long document hoping you won't see it, and advertises it as the complete opposite, but it's ok when they do it, because those are not material terms, whatever that means. It means it's ok when the big guys do it, in the end.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Some 20 years ago there was a story about a guy who was opening a bank account. The bank sent the contract, the guy ameneded it with things like "you will give le unlimited credit that I do not need to repay" (if my memory serves me right). He signed, sent both copies, got his bank signed copy back Went yo the bank, the bank sued him, he won (the judge told the bank that when you play dirty games you sometimes loose)…

...In Russia. That wouldn't work in the U.S. Changes to material terms in a contract generally informed consent (meaning, that the modifications are actually disclosed to the counterparty before they sign) or specific consent (such as a initializing the sections of the contract where the modifications occur). This is a basic part of the UCC, which all states have adopted in some form. There are a lot of people on the…

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Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Anthropic does a somewhat similar thing. If you visit their ToS (the one for Max/Pro plans) from a European IP address, they replace one section with this: Non-commercial use only. You agree not to use our Services for any commercial or business purposes and we (and our Providers) have no liability to you for any loss of profit, loss of business, business interruption, or loss of business opportunity. It's funny that…

It'd be a dream come true if the TOS said code generated by Claude is licensed under the AGPL.

Not after all the training data was just stolen. That would be legalizing the biggest heist in human history after the fact.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Have you really never seen any software saying "for non-commercial use only"?

When I'm paying for said software? No, I don't think I have.

The Home/Personal edition of Mathematica is for non-commercial use only although it's a paid subscription. The world around you is not bound by your ignorance.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Software in general has disclaimed any warranties or fitness for purpose for as long as I can remember. This is nothing new.

Prohibiting the user from using it for any commercial or business purposes is definitely new!

No, it's not.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Wow, if you brought a paper contract to court that mutated itself depending which way you look at the paper, I wonder what a judge would think of that? Personally I would crumple it up and pitch it out the window. I don't know why they can't simply be clear about what clauses apply to which geographies. An IP address should not be assumed as a reliable indicator of the jurisdiction in which an end-user resides. (Eg.…

I once wrote a contract document in PostScript that changed the wording based on the date. Two parties could cryptographically sign an agreement in the document, which would change when printed on a later date. One of the reasons we don’t use PostScript so much any more.

Isn't PDF also programmable? I think it supports javascript and even a subset of PostScript if I'm not mistaken.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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It's perfectly normal for contracts in different jurisdictions to use different wording and include different clauses. Even within the US, employment contracts with the same organisation may contain different wording depending on the state in which the employment is occurring.

> It's perfectly normal for contracts in different jurisdictions to use different wording and include different clauses. Before signing, yes, but once signed the contract stays constant. Mutating terms of service are weird - I would expect them to be locked to a canonical URL at least, like "https://.../tos?region=eu" or ideally something that locks the version too, like "https://.../tos?version=eu-002". Let me pose…

What if I sign the contract in the US, then fly to the UK?

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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> It's perfectly normal for contracts in different jurisdictions to use different wording and include different clauses. Before signing, yes, but once signed the contract stays constant. Mutating terms of service are weird - I would expect them to be locked to a canonical URL at least, like "https://.../tos?region=eu" or ideally something that locks the version too, like "https://.../tos?version=eu-002". Let me pose…

What if I sign the contract in the US, then fly to the UK?

Ask to sign a separate one for providing services in the UK, or include terms that vary depending on where you are in the first place.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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In the past, Microsoft named everything ".NET" [1] or "Windows Live" [2]. And before naming everything "Copilot", Microsoft named everything "Microsoft 365" [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.NET_strategy [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_365

I'm old enough to remember when everything was "Active". Active Directory, ActiveX, etc.

And Active Directory is probably the only still relevant one. Is it going to become Copilot Directory soon?

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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What if I sign the contract in the US, then fly to the UK?

Ask to sign a separate one for providing services in the UK, or include terms that vary depending on where you are in the first place.

That would be sane. I did not get any TOS prompts last time I visited Europe.
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