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U.S. exempts oil industry from protecting Gulf animals, for 'national security'

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Re: U.S. exempts oil industry from protecting Gulf animals, for 'national security'

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

Mistletoe wrote: post #4

Don’t say US. They don’t speak for us all. Only 49.8% of voters. Of which I hope a significant portion have seen the error of their ways come midterms and the next election. Every day is a new embarrassment law or action like this for America until then. I’ve never felt lower about America in my lifetime. The hope I had, the pride I felt in America, is gone, chunk by chunk, piece by piece, every day.

I mean, I didn't vote for Trump, but I think it should be the US. This administration represents us on the global stage. You may not like it, and it may not feel fair, but we will all have to bear the consequences of their actions. Every day something like this happens--and is allowed to happen--is an embarrassment to all of us.

Re: U.S. exempts oil industry from protecting Gulf animals, for 'national security'

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Post by beerandt »

arjie wrote: post #25

The thing says they can now dispose of trash and do loud things in the Gulf of Mexico (America haha). But what does that actually get us? Googling and LLMing around it allows normal sea operations in the Gulf so drilling is possible etc. Interesting. So they’re going to try to get more oil out of there? Can’t say I trust their competence very much here. It’s more likely to be a carve out for a friend than anything el…

This is more preemptive I suspect- 'they' have been reclassifying different species trying to get a bona-fide Gulf endangered one to use against exploration and production. Especially that one whale subspecies.

This kills that on multiple fronts.

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Post by helterskelter »

alanwreath wrote: post #22

Wasn’t diversifying US energy sources also a national security issue? And wind energy was set aside because, wait for it, they killed animals. Birds to be specific.

Remember when we destroyed Iran's nuclear program before we destroyed it last month? This administration is perfectly consistent with being inconsistent.

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Post by coliveira »

arjie wrote: post #25

The thing says they can now dispose of trash and do loud things in the Gulf of Mexico (America haha). But what does that actually get us? Googling and LLMing around it allows normal sea operations in the Gulf so drilling is possible etc. Interesting. So they’re going to try to get more oil out of there? Can’t say I trust their competence very much here. It’s more likely to be a carve out for a friend than anything el…

The goal for these companies is not to extract more oil. This is the bait. They want to produce the same amount of oil they already do, but pay less for the expenses of doing anything to comply with regulations.

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Post by adrianN »

ZunarJ5 wrote: post #3

"Definitive of what capitalism is, this separation severely limits the scope of the political. Devolving vast aspects of social life to the rule of “the market” (in reality, to large corporations), it declares them off-limits to democratic decision-making, collective action, and public control. Its very structure, therefore, deprives us of the ability to decide collectively exactly what and how much we want to produc…

There are very few purely capitalistic countries. All countries that I can think of use taxes and regulations to influence market equilibrium. „letting the market figure it out“ is usually the political expression for „I like the current state better than what the opposition proposed“.

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Post by SanjayMehta »

whalesalad wrote: post #17

I always thought Trump was such a joke. Completely non-threatening, just a big personality who kept popping up here and there. I even bought a MAGA hat back in the summer before the election explicitly because I thought it was hysterical he was even running, and knew he would lose. I thought the whole thing was a gag, a joke, just like Bloomberg. It didn't even cross my mind that someone so woefully inadequate for th…

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Post by MiguelX413 »

danans wrote: post #28
mtoner23 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we are already mostly energy independent. dont understand how dumping oil on gulf animals helps

> we are already mostly energy independent The US is the largest oil producer, but also still one of the largest oil importers, and oil prices are set by a global market, so the phrase "energy independent" is at best an accounting trick. The only way we can get truly energy independent is by electrifying most non fossil fuel requiring end uses and supplying that electricity with renewables or nuclear (from domestical…

The US should simply ban energy exporting.

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Post by pstuart »

arjie wrote: post #25

The thing says they can now dispose of trash and do loud things in the Gulf of Mexico (America haha). But what does that actually get us? Googling and LLMing around it allows normal sea operations in the Gulf so drilling is possible etc. Interesting. So they’re going to try to get more oil out of there? Can’t say I trust their competence very much here. It’s more likely to be a carve out for a friend than anything el…

> But what does that actually get us?

Who said anything about "us". Every action taken by this administration is specifically for self-enrichment (directly or to cronies/patrons), the destruction of things that they deem "woke", and the punishment and persecution of their perceived enemies and non-humans.

I wish that was hyperbole, and that I could be proven wrong.

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