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Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by rkagerer »

I really hate these so-called Terms of Service that are more a set of instructions than they are a contract.

Eg. "If you see something wrong or inappropriate from Copilot, use the Report or Feedback features in Copilot to let us know."

Does that bind me to a commitment to report? Am I in breach of the Terms if I see something wrong and I don't?

I really hope judges take the way these "contemporary" terms are written as a signal of just how little bargaining power end-users have and start nullifying unfair clauses. It's getting ridiculous how one-sided these so-called agreements are. Companies don't want to take any responsibility whatsoever for the slop they're shilling.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by biker142541 »

rubyfan wrote: post #167
wowoc wrote: post #62

Anthropic does a somewhat similar thing. If you visit their ToS (the one for Max/Pro plans) from a European IP address, they replace one section with this: Non-commercial use only. You agree not to use our Services for any commercial or business purposes and we (and our Providers) have no liability to you for any loss of profit, loss of business, business interruption, or loss of business opportunity. It's funny that…

It's only called Pro so they can charge you a Pro rate.

Should just be called the “Funsies” and “More Funsies” plans

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by rkagerer »

giobox wrote: post #88
wowoc wrote: post #62

Anthropic does a somewhat similar thing. If you visit their ToS (the one for Max/Pro plans) from a European IP address, they replace one section with this: Non-commercial use only. You agree not to use our Services for any commercial or business purposes and we (and our Providers) have no liability to you for any loss of profit, loss of business, business interruption, or loss of business opportunity. It's funny that…

Ha out of curiosity I loaded that same consumer terms URL on both a USA and a UK VPN exit node - sure enough, the UK terms inject that extra clause you quoted banning commercial usage that is not present for USA users. diff of the changes between US and UK: https://www.diffchecker.com/BtqVrR9p/ There's the usual expected legal boilerplate differences. However, the UK version injects the additional clause at line 134…

Wow, if you brought a paper contract to court that mutated itself depending which way you look at the paper, I wonder what a judge would think of that?

Personally I would crumple it up and pitch it out the window. I don't know why they can't simply be clear about what clauses apply to which geographies. An IP address should not be assumed as a reliable indicator of the jurisdiction in which an end-user resides. (Eg. In addition of VPNs's and unexpected routing, what happens if you travel?)

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by adonovan »

rkagerer wrote: post #173
giobox wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha out of curiosity I loaded that same consumer terms URL on both a USA and a UK VPN exit node - sure enough, the UK terms inject that extra clause you quoted banning commercial usage that is not present for USA users. diff of the changes between US and UK: https://www.diffchecker.com/BtqVrR9p/ There's the usual expected legal boilerplate differences. However, the UK version injects the additional clause at line 134…

Wow, if you brought a paper contract to court that mutated itself depending which way you look at the paper, I wonder what a judge would think of that? Personally I would crumple it up and pitch it out the window. I don't know why they can't simply be clear about what clauses apply to which geographies. An IP address should not be assumed as a reliable indicator of the jurisdiction in which an end-user resides. (Eg.…

I once wrote a contract document in PostScript that changed the wording based on the date. Two parties could cryptographically sign an agreement in the document, which would change when printed on a later date.

One of the reasons we don’t use PostScript so much any more.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by tmtvl »

wowoc wrote: post #62

Anthropic does a somewhat similar thing. If you visit their ToS (the one for Max/Pro plans) from a European IP address, they replace one section with this: Non-commercial use only. You agree not to use our Services for any commercial or business purposes and we (and our Providers) have no liability to you for any loss of profit, loss of business, business interruption, or loss of business opportunity. It's funny that…

It'd be a dream come true if the TOS said code generated by Claude is licensed under the AGPL.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by HDBaseT »

lateforwork wrote: post #115

Go to https://www.copilot.com/ and ask a question. You'll see from the answers that it is indeed for entertainment only. It is ridiculously behind ChatGPT, and I don't know how that can happen since Microsoft has access to the same models.

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