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Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by chrisjj »

SoftTalker wrote: post #100
wowoc wrote: post #62

Anthropic does a somewhat similar thing. If you visit their ToS (the one for Max/Pro plans) from a European IP address, they replace one section with this: Non-commercial use only. You agree not to use our Services for any commercial or business purposes and we (and our Providers) have no liability to you for any loss of profit, loss of business, business interruption, or loss of business opportunity. It's funny that…

Software in general has disclaimed any warranties or fitness for purpose for as long as I can remember. This is nothing new.

> Software in general has disclaimed any warranties or fitness for purpose

This is not such a disclaimer. If Copilot fails its purpose of entertaining you, you can sue. /i

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by NetMageSCW »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #99
mindcrime wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But according to the Birmingham modifications of 1973, subsection 12.b, stroke 7a, a player so conceding is not deemed to have actually conceded unless they be within a finite number of hops from Mornington Crescent station at the time of the concession.

No, as part of the Cameron rules of 2016, concession means concession, regardless of anything else (including whether or not it’s a good idea).

Does that mean I can get an ice cream?

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by wat10000 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #100
wowoc wrote: post #62

Anthropic does a somewhat similar thing. If you visit their ToS (the one for Max/Pro plans) from a European IP address, they replace one section with this: Non-commercial use only. You agree not to use our Services for any commercial or business purposes and we (and our Providers) have no liability to you for any loss of profit, loss of business, business interruption, or loss of business opportunity. It's funny that…

Software in general has disclaimed any warranties or fitness for purpose for as long as I can remember. This is nothing new.

Prohibiting the user from using it for any commercial or business purposes is definitely new!

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by vkou »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #127
ryandrake wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish we lived in more of a "spirit of the law" world than a "letter of the law" world, where everything needs to be spelled out, but we don't. A small minority of people enjoy Rules Lawyering their way through life, insisting on trying to "gotcha" counterparties who are acting in good faith, so as a consequence, we all have to be Rules Lawyers and everything needs to be spelled out.

I think a “spirit of the law” world would result in judges that already abuse their absurd powers way too much have free rein over any abuse they want to do, and there would be no system for ensuring everyone is treated equally or fairly.

The current alternative is the corpos abuse their absurd powers, and there's no system for ensuring everyone is treated equally or fairly.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by mcmcmc »

SoftTalker wrote: post #100
wowoc wrote: post #62

Anthropic does a somewhat similar thing. If you visit their ToS (the one for Max/Pro plans) from a European IP address, they replace one section with this: Non-commercial use only. You agree not to use our Services for any commercial or business purposes and we (and our Providers) have no liability to you for any loss of profit, loss of business, business interruption, or loss of business opportunity. It's funny that…

Software in general has disclaimed any warranties or fitness for purpose for as long as I can remember. This is nothing new.

Will be interesting to see if those still hold any weight (in the US at least) after the latest Meta rulings established defective design as a valid reason to sue big tech for damages

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by hubertdinsk »

throwawaytea wrote: post #124
lenerdenator wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there's your rationale as to why AI cannot replace you. When sh!t hits the fan, Anthropic will immediately point to this clause. Who knows, maybe a court would see it as valid. Meanwhile, your customer (and thus, your management) is looking for someone to blame for excrement making contact with the impellers. And that someone's gonna be you.

Employees often make mistakes that cost companies thousands of dollars. And there's no shortage of stories where employees cost companies tens of thousands and millions. When a construction guy messes up measurements and thousands of dollars of work has the be removed and redone, no one thinks of taking the employee to court. Why would you want to take your Ai to court?

what the hell are you on about? Have you ever been employed? Employees do got reprimanded because of their mistakes. Employers just don't sue via the courts for the same reason you don't sue your spouse first thing when they break a plate. They settle via internal penalties first.

(Not only that, employees who got a reprimand too heavy handed can sue back. Plenty of cases around.)

"AI" company provides a service. They might or might not be adequate, that's not the point, the point is that the ability to sue them must always be on the cards if the agreed upon terms aren't met.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by Veserv »

everdrive wrote: post #13

Lawyers are playing Calvinball again. I have no idea why the law finds this kind of argumentation compelling. "I clearly intentionally deceived, but I stashed some bullshit legalese into a document no one will read so my deception is completely OK."

I have frequently proposed a objective legal standard for false advertising that handles that: "Technically, your honor". If somebody says that in court, they lose.

The words they used, as commonly understood by the target audience, were intentionally crafted to be interpreted differently than what they were going to say they meant in court. They spent time, effort, and money, ran focus groups, and carefully selected and curated their words to be incorrectly interpreted by the target audience to reach knowingly false conclusions.

The correct standard should be that they spent time, effort, and money, ran focus groups, and carefully selected and curated their words to be correctly interpreted by the target audience to reach true conclusions. Their statements should only be accidentally incorrect in proportion to the time and effort spent crafting and distributing them.

"Technically, your honor", should be treated as the ethical abomination it is.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by klez »

wat10000 wrote: post #135
SoftTalker wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software in general has disclaimed any warranties or fitness for purpose for as long as I can remember. This is nothing new.

Prohibiting the user from using it for any commercial or business purposes is definitely new!

Have you really never seen any software saying "for non-commercial use only"?
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