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Cohere Transcribe: Speech Recognition

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Re: Cohere Transcribe: Speech Recognition

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post #6

How hard could it be to train other European language(-s)?

If you have to ask you dont really need the answer.

Seems to not be to difficult in finding or creating training code. So a pretty decent amount of high quality training data should be many hours. And a few hours in high end data enter GPU compute, and many iterations to get it right.

Re: Cohere Transcribe: Speech Recognition

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post #10

> Limitations >Timestamps/Speaker diarization. The model does not feature either of these. What a shame. Is whisperx still the best choice if you want timestamps/diarization?

WhisperX is not a model but a software package built around Whisper and some other models, including diarization and alignment ones. Something similar will be built around the Cohere Transcribe model, maybe even just an integration to WhisperX itself.

Re: Cohere Transcribe: Speech Recognition

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post #10

> Limitations >Timestamps/Speaker diarization. The model does not feature either of these. What a shame. Is whisperx still the best choice if you want timestamps/diarization?

There is also: https://github.com/linto-ai/whisper-timestamped

It doesn't use an extra model (so it supports every language that works with Whisper out of the box and use less memory), it works by applying Dynamic Time Warping to cross-attention weights.

Re: Cohere Transcribe: Speech Recognition

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post #10

> Limitations >Timestamps/Speaker diarization. The model does not feature either of these. What a shame. Is whisperx still the best choice if you want timestamps/diarization?

Even in the commercial space, there’s a lack of production grade ASR APIs that support diarization and word level timestamps.

My experiences with Google’s Chirp have been horrendous, with it sometimes skipping sections of speech entirely, hallucinating speech where the audio contains noise, and unreliable word level timestamps. And this all is even with using their new audio prefiltering feature.

AWS works slightly better, but also has trouble with keeping word level timestamps in sync.

Whisper is nice but hallucinates regularly.

OpenAI’s new transcription models are delivering accurate output but do not support word level timestamps…

A lot of this could be worked around by sending the resulting transcripts through a few layers of post processing, but… I just want to pay for an API that is reliable and saves me from doing all that work.

Re: Cohere Transcribe: Speech Recognition

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My worry is that ASR will end up like OCR. If the multi modal large AI system is good enough (latency wise), the advantage of domain understanding eats the other technlogies alive. In OCR, even when the characters are poorly scanned, the deep domain understanding these large multi modal AIs have allows it to understand what the document actually meant - this is going to be order id because in the million invoices I h…

Why are you 'worried' about it? Shouldn't we strive for better technology even if it means some will 'lose'?

Re: Cohere Transcribe: Speech Recognition

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post #7

Dumb question, but if this is "open source" is there source code somewhere? Or does that term mean something different in the world of models that must be trained to be useful?

Files can be downloaded here: https://huggingface.co/CohereLabs/cohere-transcribe-03-2026/...

And someone has already converted it to onnx format: https://huggingface.co/eschmidbauer/cohere-transcribe-03-202... - so it can be run on CPU instead of GPU.

Re: Cohere Transcribe: Speech Recognition

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post #16

My worry is that ASR will end up like OCR. If the multi modal large AI system is good enough (latency wise), the advantage of domain understanding eats the other technlogies alive. In OCR, even when the characters are poorly scanned, the deep domain understanding these large multi modal AIs have allows it to understand what the document actually meant - this is going to be order id because in the million invoices I h…

Why are you 'worried' about it? Shouldn't we strive for better technology even if it means some will 'lose'?

"Better" isn't just about increasing benchmark numbers. Often, it's more important that a system fails safely than how often it fails. Automatic speech recognition that guesses when the input is unclear will occasionally be right and therefore have a lower word error rate, but if it's important that the output be correct, it might be better to insert "[unintelligible]" and have a human double-check.
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