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Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by abustamam »

thfuran wrote: post #255
abustamam wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was in high school (or maybe even junior high), I remember learning the bill of rights and the freedom of speech and press and assembly. Our curricula and case studies always focused on freedom of speech because I guess it was absurd to think that the govt would ever attack the press. That was a thing "other" countries did. I can look past some of the stupid shit he says. He gets freedom of speech too, even if…

>I can look past some of the stupid shit he says. He gets freedom of speech too That just means it’s legally permissible, not reasonable, respectable, or conscionable. Do not look past the things he says.

No I mean the actual stupid shit he says, not the stupid policies he enacts. Like randomly getting up during a cabinet meeting to admire a ballroom that doesn't exist yet. That's stupid but harmless.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by abustamam »

wongarsu wrote: post #260
abustamam wrote: post #212

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When I was in kindergarten, I refused to do the pledge one day. My teacher was livid. "Are you American or not?" Being 5, I didn't know the difference between ethnicity and nationality (I'm Asian but I was born here and didn't know any life outside of America). So I was afraid that my teacher would not let me be American anymore if I didn't say the pledge. So I said it and never refused to say it in school again. It…

So you were actually pledging under duress. Contracts and statements made under duress are usually treated as null and void, so you have that going for you. Still highly unethical of that teacher

I mean I don't think anything we do or say as a 5 year old is considered binding, otherwise I'm on the hook for a lot of nonsense :)

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by fhdkweig »

baggachipz wrote: post #249
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #53

Most of this is bad, but I think it's reasonable for the FEMA app, whose purpose is to help you get to the nearest shelters, to have access to your location.

Browsers can get access to your location too.

The best solution is to have a text box that asks for a ZIP code, and every important site has one. It covers all the above cases but also includes the ability to help others in a disaster zone.

Several years ago a hurricane passed through my elderly parent's hometown. There wasn't enough available cell availability to get internet access, but they could make SMS text messages. I was their lifeline getting them info on where the power outages were, which gas stations had gas, when restaurants and grocery stores reopened. If all that information was location-locked to where I was (thousands of miles away), it would have useless.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by WarmWash »

malfist wrote: post #87
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #69

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> a hell of a difference between a multimillionare who has a successful business and a billionare Yeah, I'm saying the ones worth hundreds of millions to low billions who aren't on social media are, in my personal experience, often fine people. The ones I don't like are the ones on social media, but that's also true of the folks worth a few thousand dollars. Plenty of billionaires are assholes. The world's GDP is ove…

And who are you to personally know enough billionaires intimately enough to absolve them of any guilt they might have earned hoarding enough wealth to reach that level?

What does "hoard wealth" mean to you? A vault full of gold that they swim in?

Jeff Bezos's net worth is mostly in the form of server racks and amazon inventory.

Elon's net worth is mostly in the form of share certificates that are marked to market and contingent on delusional investors swallowing Elons own promises.

This is the peg that society is constantly snagging on. The billionaire class doesn't actually have much "hoarded" wealth. If we want to go after wealth that more classically fits the idea of "hoarded", i.e. cash and cash equivalents, then the middle/upper middle class is the golden goose (most people are surprised to learn they have almost twice the wealth billionaires have too, not a very clickable headline though...)

The idea that everyone gets a suburban house and premium healthcare if we can only pass legislation that taxes billionaires, is a delusion on par with Jesus coming down to battle the transsexuals.

The actual strain in the economy is between the upper middle class and the lower class. The senior developers and the shipping room clerks.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by andreygrehov »

abustamam wrote: post #252
andreygrehov wrote: post #244

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Where in my comments did I say “but Biden didn't fix it”? What I say is the majority of commenters are wrong blaming the administration.

> I verified older versions of the apps and found that the wide permissions were there prior to Trump This pretty much insinuates Biden (and Trump v1, and Obama, and Bush) didn't fix it. And the commenter aren't wrong when they blame the administration. They wouldn't be wrong to blame previous administrations either. But the previous administrations aren't in power right now.

> And the commenter aren't wrong when they blame the administration. They wouldn't be wrong to blame previous administrations either. But the previous administrations aren't in power right now

They are wrong. The current administration did not make a call to widen the permissions or make it intentionally overly broad.

> This pretty much insinuates Biden (and Trump v1, and Obama, and Bush) didn't fix it.

Why do you believe the president is responsible? Could be just a lazy contractor.

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Post by ghurtado »

renewiltord wrote: post #210
ben_w wrote: post #203

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The phrase "live paycheck to paycheck" means "To spend all that one earns without saving anything", not the literal interpretation of "failing to die between paychecks" that you seem to be using here. (IIRC, 60-70% is based on surveys, that percentage of people feel they're living like that, but actual stats are much lower, like 25% or so, but it's important to make sure the same thing is being discussed when having…

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> It’s written by Democratic Party partisans

In a marvelous twist of irony, the commenter unwittingly and perfectly exemplified how easily it is to get people talking as if they were good little disciples of Goebbels. But don't worry: he's here to make us all woke, or red pilled or whatever specific propaganda term the party has commanded during this election cycle

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by ghurtado »

abustamam wrote: post #262
wongarsu wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you were actually pledging under duress. Contracts and statements made under duress are usually treated as null and void, so you have that going for you. Still highly unethical of that teacher

I mean I don't think anything we do or say as a 5 year old is considered binding, otherwise I'm on the hook for a lot of nonsense :)

Have you considered, however, how that event shaped your developing and impressionable subconscious and possibly influenced your future behavior as an adult?

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Post by throwawayqqq11 »

gnz11 wrote: post #227
jazz9k wrote: post #149

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"The drive to achieve that level of success often comes from weaponized poor self esteem." This sounds like all of the cope I continue to hear about successful people. Very successful people MUST have something wrong with them...

It's OK to be critical of billionaires.

Being critical about billionares is empirically supported. Trump wouldnt exist if not supported by other psychopaths and now he selects even more unethical bootlickers for offices and rewards equally deranged amigos.

Jazz9k just drank too much coolaid from billionare owned and election meddling twitter, i guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/401368611_Psychopat...

https://link.springer.com/rwe/10.1007/978-3-642-28036-8_128

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by abustamam »

andreygrehov wrote: post #265
abustamam wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I verified older versions of the apps and found that the wide permissions were there prior to Trump This pretty much insinuates Biden (and Trump v1, and Obama, and Bush) didn't fix it. And the commenter aren't wrong when they blame the administration. They wouldn't be wrong to blame previous administrations either. But the previous administrations aren't in power right now.

> And the commenter aren't wrong when they blame the administration. They wouldn't be wrong to blame previous administrations either. But the previous administrations aren't in power right now They are wrong. The current administration did not make a call to widen the permissions or make it intentionally overly broad. > This pretty much insinuates Biden (and Trump v1, and Obama, and Bush) didn't fix it. Why do you be…

> The current administration did not make a call to widen the permissions or make it intentionally overly broad.

Maybe not. But are they not responsible for an app that literally markets itself as the official federal govt app? If Meta sold FB to me am I not responsible for the algorithms that I now own, that perpetuates misinformation?

> Why do you believe the president is responsible? Could be just a lazy contractor.

Obviously the president is not deploying code. But doesn't mean the president gets a free pass. If I did shitty work for my employer and deployed a rootkit to production, I get fired but my employer is still responsible. If they want to be absolved of responsibility, they can always unpublish it while they get stuff fixed and acknowledge the issue.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by abustamam »

ghurtado wrote: post #267
abustamam wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I don't think anything we do or say as a 5 year old is considered binding, otherwise I'm on the hook for a lot of nonsense :)

Have you considered, however, how that event shaped your developing and impressionable subconscious and possibly influenced your future behavior as an adult?

It's not something I fully understood as a child. I didn't even fully grasp the concept of "nationality" so when she asked if I was American I just said yes because I didn't know what it meant. I just understood that not saluting meant teacher mad, just like not cleaning up my toys in the classroom meant teacher mad.
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