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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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> Imagine slashing 30,000 jobs for a measly 2% share price bump. One lost job is a tragedy. 30,000 jobs lost is statistics.

These are some of the richest and most profitable companies in history but they act like miserly slaves to their share price. We have created such a perverted incentive system.

There's an argument to be made about bad incentives driving large public companies.

But it's way less satisfying that emotional appeals.

The base of your statement is just wrong.

A company is a legal fiction. It doesn't have thoughts, wants, desires. It's not rich or poor. It's a piece of paper. It's an entry in government database.

What is not a fiction is Oracle's owners i.e. shareholders.

They are not rich. Majority of them, either direct owner of stock or in-direct owners via pension plans etc. are like you and me. They are not rich and the price of Oracle shares can be a difference between them being able to pay rent today or being able to retire tomorrow.

Those people rightfully care about the share price.

The executive are correctly responding to wishes of owners of the company by managing it to make a profit and therefore keep the stock price high.

What in the above chain do you find objectionable?

That millions of Americans investing in public companies depend on and therefore care about stock price?

That management of public companies is correctly responding to demands of owners of those companies by managing companies for profit?

Or maybe you just want to skip to the end of the line and seize means of production from private citizens to bask in the warm glow of collectivism?

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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More victims of AI. Not actually of "AI is replacing jobs", more "oh shit we are spending too much and the product isn't good enough for us to ever make a return on our absurd over-investment".

> More victims of AI

According to the article as well as blind, the main teams hit were associated with Cerner (EHR) and NetSuite (ERP).

Oracle's AI spend is part of Oracle Cloud.

That said, I guess it can be argued that Cerner and NetSuite being on the chopping block can be attributed to AI because now procurement has the choice to either build in-house via an Anthropic or OpenAI SI like Accenture or TCS or they can negotiate better purchasing terms from a best-in-breed product in HRM and ERP like SAP instead.

I also find it interesting how American and European HNers are much more negative about AI compared to their Chinese, Indian, and Israeli peers even though they have a significant amount to lose as well.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

#63

Let's not forget that ORACLE is actually an acronym.

"One Rich A*[CENSORED] Called Larry Ellison"? : ) EDIT: LOL, I haven't expected to be downvoted for simply putting this in a way I like : )

this is the internet, not a Sunday service at your local mormon temple where swearing is banned. You can call Larry Ellison an asshole. There are few people more deserving of being called in asshole than he is.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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It's still a company worth $400B that makes $3B of profits and not even $20B of revenue.

And full of debt from AI datacenters full of hardware with a 6 year depreciation cycle, possibly even lower depending on what NVidia releases next.

So overvalued!

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Where did he say he's not worried about other billionaires?

Where did he say that he is, that's the point. Otherwise their comment is disingenuous at best or engineered to be divisive against Oracle at worst.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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List successful companies you would not define as evil.

37signals, vanguard, costco, proton, fastmail, mullvad vpn, framework, automattic, valve, patagonia, lego, linear, hetzner, tarsnap, ...

Valve has been making money hand over fist by getting kids addicted to gambling…

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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There's no real way to sugar-coat losing your job. I think an email is as good as anything. Ensures everyone gets the same message at the same time.

Whatever you do, do not ever book a 1:1 meeting on a Friday afternoon for Monday morning titled, "The Future."

I had to let an employee go because he didn't do any work, took forever to respond to chats (in a remote position), and was always late for meetings. I scheduled the 4pm Friday meeting to let him go. He was 15 minutes late.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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I don't think its that easy. Look at their employee numbers over the years: (ai generated): Oracle Corporation Employee Count (2010 - 2025) Legend: Each '' represents approximately 4,000 employees. Year | Employees ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2010 | (105,000) 2011 | (108,000) 2012 | (115,000) 2013 | (120,000) 2014 | (122,000) 2015 | (132,000) 2016 | (136,000) 2017 | (138,000) 20…

> They clearly did something crazy at corona They acquired Cerner, which had ~30k employees.

Cool to be part of history I used to go into that office Innovations campus

Saw someone had a license plate say MPAGES ha

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