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Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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It looks very different from the outside than it does from the inside. We are all subject to this.

Does it though? I don't see Canadian or Swiss or Slovak propaganda regularly reminding us that their country's leader is the "greatest ever."

Mark Carney's famous speech at Davos was a breath of fresh air compared with anything ever spewed by the deranged current president of the USA. I am so glad I live in the best country in the world with him as prime minister and that we have no propaganda here in Canada. We will do so much better when we enter trade agreement negotiations with that degenerate loser south of the border in the next few months. That guy can't even ties his own shoes because of his cankles, but Mark Carney can tie not only his own shoes but he always wears sensible socks too.

You may have missed propaganda because you missed the propaganda.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Sure, and this 70% of Americans bullshit is propaganda by that measure. It is frequently trotted out on HN and is met with enthusiastic belief despite being total ass pull. There are US Senators pushing this propaganda and people enthusiastically agreeing.

Uh, what? People don't "agree" with stats. They either believe it at face value, or they fact check the stats and find, oh, this is actually true but the study was limited, or they find that it is indeed just bullshit. No agreement necessary. Politicians taking advantage of the fact that their constituents will not fact check them is propaganda 101.

Anybody can live paycheck to paycheck if they want to - no matter how much you earn you can spend it all.

So the "statistic" or the saying has no relevance for anything.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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It looks very different from the outside than it does from the inside. We are all subject to this.

Does it though? I don't see Canadian or Swiss or Slovak propaganda regularly reminding us that their country's leader is the "greatest ever."

Because some nations are leader-oriented and some nations are system-oriented. Ask any European if they support the state system in their country. Or ask any muslim if their branch of Islam is the best.

Almost all countries in the world will have heavy handed propaganda that their way of organizing things are the best and most fair that could ever exist.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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I’m surprised to see no comments on this yet: [The White House app] ships with 3 embedded trackers including Huawei Mobile Services Core (yes, the Chinese company the US government sanctioned, shipping tracking infrastructure inside the sitting president's official app) The executive branch has decided this company is so dangerous I can’t buy a monitor made by them - but it’s embedding its SDK in its official app?! I…

> The executive branch has decided this company is so dangerous I can’t buy a monitor made by them

Huawei was sanctioned because they did business with a sanctioned country

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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What? Trump is just a symptom. The US didn't suddenly become what it is now because of a vote. Like it or not (and I certainly don't), the people voted for this, twice. Whether they voted for it because they actually wanted it vs they voted for it because politicians convinced them they wanted it, it is what we wanted.

I don't deny that Republicans existed before Trump, but Trump being elected certainly fast-tracked this skyrocketing fascist disaster.

I think it's like that old saying about bankruptcy - it happens very slowly, then all at once

The rise of right-wing propaganda mass media has been simmering brains for 3 decades in a populist, grievance and resentment stew and positioned things perfectly for right-wing propaganda to explode in the internet age - once social media came around, it was a renaissance for the paranoid-style radical right-wing demagogues, and they exploded in numbers and reach. In turn, that tilled the soil for a Trump figure to come along to disrupt things.

Trump basically took all the recurring themes of grievance from right-wing media to the extreme to turbo-charge the anxiety and fear of the right, including most things that were generally considered wrong for politicians to say/do.

It's almost hard to remember the before-times, but Trump was the first modern presidential ticket that outright attacks the media (calling them the enemy of the people, fake news, etc) to de-legitimize them - it used to be a point of pride in this country that politicians didn't do stuff like this, because it's a feature of authoritarian regimes, not democracies. Right-wing audiences were very used to hearing that sort of thing though, because it was a common feature of the right-wing propaganda media they had been boiling in for years.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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I think they are, and strongly. The drive to achieve that level of success often comes from weaponized poor self esteem. Well adjusted individuals just chill out after a few million and work on whatever is fun/important for them. Only rarely does this also happen to be something that can take you from 10M to 1B. (and if it can it would take a lot of work you can't be bothered to do unless it's some core value like he…

"The drive to achieve that level of success often comes from weaponized poor self esteem." This sounds like all of the cope I continue to hear about successful people. Very successful people MUST have something wrong with them...

It's OK to be critical of billionaires.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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I’m surprised to see no comments on this yet: [The White House app] ships with 3 embedded trackers including Huawei Mobile Services Core (yes, the Chinese company the US government sanctioned, shipping tracking infrastructure inside the sitting president's official app) The executive branch has decided this company is so dangerous I can’t buy a monitor made by them - but it’s embedding its SDK in its official app?! I…

> I realize the decision makers probably don’t even know it’s there Assuming incompetence gives the administration a cover to get away with anything. I'm not quite sure they're as stupid as they all act. Someone is surely using the facade of incompetence to rot things from the inside out.

I read a comment on Reddit that changed my perspective on 90% of recent political commentary:

“Y'all are mad about the dog whistle but you forgot about the dog”

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Why not grow it, where the hungry people are?

> Why not grow it, where the hungry people are? I bet no-one has ever thought of that before. You should present that idea at the UN.

It was a serious question.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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> Do these posts just get upvoted due to the graphics/animations? I don't think so. It's more likely that they're upvoted as a signal-boost; convene here to talk about bad government tech. Some submissions are less about the subject matter than they are about providing a space to talk about only the subject in general. I've found this to be the case when the content is AI-generated.

That may be true in some cases, but I disagree about that in this case. TFA links to numerous sources for it's data (e.g. https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/723186/ for the White House app, and AFAICT exodus privacy is a legit service), and discussions around government applications that are loaded with surveillance tech (and in many cases it seems like the apps' primary, and sometimes only, purpose is…

I was referring to the graphics/animations that the GP comment mentioned. I was more confident that those were AI-generated than the actual text. Upon further scrutiny I'm having second thoughts.

There are multiple cases of inconsistencies between certain claims and the sources that they linked to:

> The acting IRS Commissioner, Melanie Krause, resigned in protest.

No mention of that here: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/08/politics/irs-dhs-sign-data-de....

The actual link should be https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/08/politics/melanie-krause-actin... (which is a "Related Article" in the former link).

> The Defense Department even purchased location data from prayer apps to monitor Muslim communities.

Nope: https://www.eff.org/issues/location-data-brokers

> ICE's contract gives them "unlimited rights to use, dispose of, or disclose" all data collected.

Quote doesn't appear here: https://themarkup.org/the-breakdown/2022/06/27/meet-smartlin...

> DHS's own internal documents admit Mobile Fortify can be used to amass biographical information of "individuals regardless of citizenship or immigration status", and CBP confirmed it will "retain all photographs" including those of U.S. citizens, for 15 years.

Both hyperlinks lead to the same page, neither quote appears: https://www.biometricupdate.com/202512/ices-use-of-cbp-biome...

> ICE Homeland Security Investigations signed a $9.2 million contract with Clearview AI in September 2025, giving agents access to over 50 billion facial images scraped from the internet.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT!!! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/11/rights-organizations-d...

> This one requests 14 permissions including 7 classified as "dangerous,"

Only 6 permissions are classified as dangerous: https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/gov.dhs.cbp...

If I really wanted to force the claim that the body text is AI-generated (or assisted) then I'd guess that the LLM (likely Claude) counted the "dangerous" icon from its appearance in "The icon [Red exclamation mark] indicates a 'Dangerous' or 'Special' level according to Google's protection levels."

> And the whole CBP ecosystem, from CBP One to CBP Home to Mobile Passport Control, feeds data into a network that retains your faceprints for up to 75 years and shares it across DHS, ICE, and the FBI.

This makes it appear that there are separate apps running concurrently, namely CBP One and CBP Home. They aren't. From the linked source, "CBP One is no longer available". It was replaced with CBP Home. The source does not mention Mobile Passport Control.: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/cbp-on...

> ...discussions around government applications that are loaded with surveillance tech (and in many cases it seems like the apps' primary, and sometimes only, purpose is data harvesting) seem very on-topic for HN.

Which is exactly why I said: "Some submissions are less about the subject matter than they are about providing a space to talk about only the subject in general."

The article in its entirety reads more like a desperate attempt at spinning the recent release of the "White House app" into a story about state surveillance. The problem is that it doesn't have a cogent conclusion or point to make except for a "Surveillance Data Pipeline" graphic that depicts ICE as the central destination for all of this data and the following:

> The federal government publishes content available through standard web protocols and RSS feeds, then wraps that content in applications that demand access to your location, biometrics, storage, contacts, and device identity. They embed advertising trackers in FBI apps. They sell the line that you need their app to receive their propaganda while the app quietly collects data that flows into the same surveillance pipeline feeding ICE raids and warrantless location tracking. Every single one of these apps could be replaced by a web page, and they know that. The app exists because a web page can't read your fingerprint, track your GPS in the background, or inventory the other accounts on your device. > > You don't need their app. You don't need their permission to access public information. You already have a browser, an RSS reader, and the ability to decide for yourself what runs on your own hardware. Use them.

What is the link between the two? Who is the "You" being addressed here? We have apps that are apparently used only by ICE, apps meant for foreign travelers into the US, apps only someone's conservative/veteran grandfather would be caught using—these are disparate demographics to me.

If my initial impression to all of this information was "So what?" how would this article convince me that it's actually meaningful? Submissions like this aren't about discussing anything novel or critical about the subject matter (with the exception of the Huawei thing which is a missed opportunity from an editorial point of view). They are signal boosts to talk about bad government and technology in general.

I've spent enough of my morning trying to make actual sense of this story, that's not to say that it's not informative (albeit unsurprising), but the quality of the writing irrespective of whether its "readable" makes me question if the submission was popular because of its substance or because it's supposed to be a proxy for r/politics.

You owe me a coffee.

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