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Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by lpapez »

poulpy123 wrote: post #19

I'm always perturbed to see people talk of mass killings so casually

The US public discourse is so dehumanized today that anyone who is not "with them" is literally not a human anymore. Even within the country itself "the leftards" are considered an obstacle which can be removed if only enough force is applied.

Sending armed agents at protesters is seen as being the same thing as sending pest control to clear out beaver dams on the creek. Nobody cares what the beavers think, they are not human, they do not have feelings. They are simply a menace to be dealth with.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by cyanydeez »

bluegatty wrote: post #22
i67vw3 wrote: post #2

Not every war can be fought from air, there needs to be soldiers on the ground. In fight against ISIS, the Iraqi amry, Shia Militias, Kurds and others were ground forces while Allies were in Air. In Afghanistan & Gulf War, US forces were on ground. But in these "conflict", no party is ready to send ground forces, ground forces to stop the air drones, ship drones etc. So the "blockade" will probably continue.

There is no party even capable of doing it. The Gulf coastline is almost 1000 miles long, there would have to be a gigantic occupation of an area the size of a small country, at the same time as there would be 'all out war' with Iran, which would be backed by China and to a lesser extent Russia, and whereupon an invasion would provide them with millions of determined fighters. We're talking 'Gulf War' scale of operat…

At some point, there's going to be a dumbenough general to try to paratrooper their way in. They've spent the past year trying to cull "dysloyal" troops, so at some point, the delusion will surface is an absurdly dumb attempt.

Hard to see it any other way.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by khalic »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #12
kashunstva wrote: post #10

Whether or not professional military strategists and planners anticipated this shift in carrier-based projection of power in the era of low-cost drones, it is nearly certain that the Commander-in-Chief of the United States military has not. And if the Commander is involved in the either the day-to-day operations or the strategic level of planning, I can’t imagine that whatever reasoning about these shifts in power dy…

> this shift in carrier-based projection of power in the era of low-cost drones Nothing in this war has suggested carriers are obsolete. A carrier that launches drones and fields an anti-drone strike group would be amazing. We don’t have that. (And even what we do have is great in the carrier department, it’s given us air parity to superiority from way offshore.)

Lol carriers were already being overwhelmed by regular missiles, this now means a multi billion dollar ship can and will be destroyed by cheap drones if it's anywhere near its optimal deployment zone.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by yomismoaqui »

high_na_euv wrote: post #11

Brightest minds of US were too focused on displaying ads and making teenagers addicted to tik tokies-like stuff instead of working security, defense, etc You couldve seen anti militsry industry sentiment on HN for years, which apparently worked for US adversaries, who knows who was behind that propaganda :) Inb4: im from eu

I prefer having those minds focused on optimizing ad serving than on optimizing school bombings.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by thebeardredis »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #13

I don't get that "Strait" discussion. Where does the Strait begin and end? If somehow the US Navy "opens" the Strait, what stops Iran to attack every ship moving in the direction of the Strait? Where does the "protection zone" start and end?

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Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by panick21_ »

high_na_euv wrote: post #11

Brightest minds of US were too focused on displaying ads and making teenagers addicted to tik tokies-like stuff instead of working security, defense, etc You couldve seen anti militsry industry sentiment on HN for years, which apparently worked for US adversaries, who knows who was behind that propaganda :) Inb4: im from eu

What are you talking about? Better missiles dont stop Iran from closing a tiny waterway in their border.

US weapons are pretty damn good for the most part. But trade protection is just not something fancy advanced weapons can solve.

Military planners have known this for a long time.

If anything, if you were serious you would say that the US didnt pay enough tradesmen and technician to build enough of the needed weapons.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by [deleted] »

high_na_euv wrote: post #11

Brightest minds of US were too focused on displaying ads and making teenagers addicted to tik tokies-like stuff instead of working security, defense, etc You couldve seen anti militsry industry sentiment on HN for years, which apparently worked for US adversaries, who knows who was behind that propaganda :) Inb4: im from eu

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Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ghywertelling »

no_shadowban_5 wrote: post #29
poulpy123 wrote: post #19

I'm always perturbed to see people talk of mass killings so casually

Didn't you read the URL? It's not mass killing, it's statecraft. It's not casual, it's responsible.

James Cameron in Avatar: Fire and Ash makes fun of these Big Picture guys (so called ThinkTank people) towards the end.
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