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Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by wodenokoto »

andreygrehov wrote: post #170
dandanua wrote: post #167

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The current administration has created a narrative that everything they do is good, while anything their opponents do is bad. Facts or meaning do not matter any more. I honestly don't understand how the USA has become this. This won't end well.

The apps have nothing to do with the current administration. All these permissions were already in place before the current administration. It’s easy to verify this by looking at previous versions of the apps. HN has created a narrative that everything the current administration does is bad.

> HN has created a narrative that everything the current administration does is bad.

In all fairness, that narrative has been helped quite a bit by the current administration!

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by [deleted] »

wodenokoto wrote: post #171
andreygrehov wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The apps have nothing to do with the current administration. All these permissions were already in place before the current administration. It’s easy to verify this by looking at previous versions of the apps. HN has created a narrative that everything the current administration does is bad.

> HN has created a narrative that everything the current administration does is bad. In all fairness, that narrative has been helped quite a bit by the current administration!

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Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by dandanua »

andreygrehov wrote: post #170
dandanua wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current administration has created a narrative that everything they do is good, while anything their opponents do is bad. Facts or meaning do not matter any more. I honestly don't understand how the USA has become this. This won't end well.

The apps have nothing to do with the current administration. All these permissions were already in place before the current administration. It’s easy to verify this by looking at previous versions of the apps. HN has created a narrative that everything the current administration does is bad.

As I've said, facts or meaning no longer matter. There are numerous cases where Trump blamed Democrats for something he did during his first term or took credit for something positive that the Biden administration did. HN does not create a narrative, people are free to post their opinions here.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by lynx97 »

pocksuppet wrote: post #168
ghurtado wrote: post #151

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This is the best joke I've heard in a long time

The version I know is a little different: A Russian visits America and meets an American at a bar and they get talking about life in Russia. "How is the propaganda?" says the American. "It's everywhere, but it's easy to ignore it" says the Russian. "Yours is much better." "But we don't have propaganda here" says the American. "Exactly" says the Russian. idk how a person can be forced to pledge allegiance to the flag…

... or realize that they are not morally superior to china as long as they don't abolish the death penalty.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by XorNot »

HWR_14 wrote: post #141
XorNot wrote: post #117

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Also famines are political problems to start with. We have more then enough food. Getting it to people reliably is the issue - i.e. there's usually a plethora of other issues like an active war. It also isn't an economically isolated enterprise: Ukrainian grain shipments traversing into Europe via Polish roads and not heading to Africa via their ports caused a bunch of price crashes which became political flashpoints…

Which is why UNESCO's plan focused on delivering the food, not buying it.

The issue is that simply saying you're going to deliver food aid is elliding pretty much the entire problem. You cannot simply deliver food aid, because to do so you might have to fight and win an entire war against one or several insurgent groups or governments.

You could turn up reliably and distribute quite a lot of food, and yet at the end of the day find there's still a famine.

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by leptons »

renewiltord wrote: post #165
ghurtado wrote: post #163

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> I mean if you agree with it, it’s not propaganda A very workable definition of "propaganda" might be "an idea crafted specifically so that you will think it was your idea in the first place" That's why "agreeing" with propaganda is not the correct verb. You either believe propaganda or you don't. This has nothing to do with reason or logic.

Sure, and this 70% of Americans bullshit is propaganda by that measure. It is frequently trotted out on HN and is met with enthusiastic belief despite being total ass pull. There are US Senators pushing this propaganda and people enthusiastically agreeing.

What percentage of Americans do you think live paycheck to paycheck?

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by herbst »

andreygrehov wrote: post #170
dandanua wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current administration has created a narrative that everything they do is good, while anything their opponents do is bad. Facts or meaning do not matter any more. I honestly don't understand how the USA has become this. This won't end well.

The apps have nothing to do with the current administration. All these permissions were already in place before the current administration. It’s easy to verify this by looking at previous versions of the apps. HN has created a narrative that everything the current administration does is bad.

To be fair that's the exact narrative European media seems to draw. Not sure how you could see anything else in this shitshow

Re: Fedware: Government apps that spy harder than the apps they ban

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Post by Terr_ »

N_Lens wrote: post #148
e40 wrote: post #142

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Incompetence is the forte of this administration.

Followed closely by malice

Recycling an old post:

> We had the first 4+ years to learn that "malice or incompetence" is not the right question. There's been more than enough pathological input to show it becomes a denial-of-service attack on observers.

> The correct answer is both, until and unless the perpetrators wish to come forward and defend themselves as just malicious or just incompetent.

One might also view it as a kind politically-flavored nerd-sniping. [0] Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

[0] https://xkcd.com/356/

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