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FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

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Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm wondering if this means 3 million copyright violations that could be litigated in civil court. Outstanding observation! Class action suit in the making. Only lawyers get rich, but still could hurt the offenders financially.

Look, I like the occasional $2 checks in the mail. For now, I can buy a candy bar with it.

I have a gift for you: https://openclassactions.com/

You welcome :)

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#102

Key quote: > Even though it did not have any business relationship with OkCupid, the third-party data recipient asked the company to share large datasets of OkCupid user photos and related data with it because OkCupid’s founders were financial investors in the third party. OkCupid provided the third party with access to nearly three million OkCupid user photos as well as location and other information without placing…

The FTC article links to the federal complaint[0] which names the third-party data recipient as Clarifai, Inc. "In September 2014, the CEO of Clarifai, Inc. e-mailed one of OkCupid’s founders requesting that Humor Rainbow give Clarifai, Inc. (i.e., the Data Recipient) access to large datasets of OkCupid photos." [0] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/OkCupid-MatchCo...

> The platform includes the ability to moderate content, perform visual search, visual similarity, and organize media collections. It has pre-built recognition models that can identify a specific set of concepts like food or travel, NSFW, and its general model which can identify a range of concepts including objects, ideas, and emotion.[18] It also has the ability to create custom models which can identify other arbitrary objects such as cars or breeds of dogs.[19] The 2018 Model 1.5 with machine-labeled datasets claims to recognize up to 11,000 concepts from object detection, as well as things like mood or theme.

sooo, why are they after some dating profile pics if the model was about “identifying and labeling pictures”? You can safely assume their new model will be (already) trained on your pictures to crosscheck you on other platforms or surveillance system, coupled with accurate positioning, you can guess the rest.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I met my current wife on OKC in 2010, before online dating became an utter cesspool. I've been out of the dating scene for 16 years now, but based on what I see on social media, I think online dating sucks today for three reasons. 1. Many men (Not all, but many) are there simply because they want to get laid. They're not looking for a relationship, they're looking for a hook-up, and they're not honest about their int…

> Criticizes pathological behavior of some men openly > Puts a disclaimer before criticizing pathological behavior of some women Nothing will improve until we as men stop gatekeeping ourselves from stating facts openly, without apologies. Women can be very shitty, often are, and that has to be said without the need to preface it or soften the blow.

What exactly will improve if men are more blunt and non-apologetic?

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#104

I’m almost certain these dating apps, including Hinge and Bumble are creating loads of good-looking fake women profiles to attract male users and keep their platforms “sticky”. There are suspicious telltale signs like location downtown when nobody says they live downtown in my area. The same responses and prompts across multiple profiles. It’s equivalent to them cooking their books, but with vanity metrics.

Or the more realistic, less tin-foil-hat reason, sophisticated chat bots are a real problem and dating platforms aren't immune to them.

Realistically the party with the most straight forward financial incentive to do this should be the first we suspect, and that would certainly be the platform itself.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#105

I’m almost certain these dating apps, including Hinge and Bumble are creating loads of good-looking fake women profiles to attract male users and keep their platforms “sticky”. There are suspicious telltale signs like location downtown when nobody says they live downtown in my area. The same responses and prompts across multiple profiles. It’s equivalent to them cooking their books, but with vanity metrics.

Or the more realistic, less tin-foil-hat reason, sophisticated chat bots are a real problem and dating platforms aren't immune to them.

>Or the more realistic, less tin-foil-hat reason, sophisticated chat bots are a real problem and dating platforms aren't immune to them.

I can tell you with absolute certainty from working in the industry a decade ago that the entire business model revolves around fake female profiles and dark UX patterns (lies) to trick lonely men. I can vividly remember that it was this big open secret that we all had to dance around all the time, pretending our product was legitimate and helping people. It's literally the only viable model for dating apps and sites; anyone who is actually successful at using them stops paying. I have no doubt the big apps are using their own LLM bots at this point.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#106

this kind of "action"/"settlement" is too funny: >" As part of a settlement, OkCupid [...] will be prohibited from misrepresenting its privacy policies. " >" Under the proposed settlement, OkCupid and Match are permanently prohibited from misrepresenting or assisting others in misrepresenting: [...] " every company should already be "prohibited from misrepresenting its privacy policies" and the collection/controls st…

The US Government routinely treats corporations with kid gloves. When they're found to be breaking the law, the company usually says "oopsie doopsie, did we do that??" and the government in turn settles with "naughty, naughty, just don't do it again!" It's like kindergarten punishment. But if you or I break federal law, it's PMITA Prison for us.

Americans explicitly voted for this. From Reagan on, it was explicit policy that we should leave corporations be, for god knows what bullshit reason. Then, finally Biden's admin started gearing up the government to actually enforce the laws on the book for a functional market.

So people voted for not that. Again.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Criticizes pathological behavior of some men openly > Puts a disclaimer before criticizing pathological behavior of some women Nothing will improve until we as men stop gatekeeping ourselves from stating facts openly, without apologies. Women can be very shitty, often are, and that has to be said without the need to preface it or soften the blow.

What exactly will improve if men are more blunt and non-apologetic?

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Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#109

Throwaway account. I tried these sites a couple of times each in the past (the UK versions at least). I'm married now and fortunately don't have to deal with "the dating scene" and how awful it is/was. When I signed up for Match, about ten minutes into the process my account suddenly changed to that of another man including different photo, descriptions, orientation etc. I don't know why this happened but it was abso…

I met my current wife on OKC in 2010, before online dating became an utter cesspool. I've been out of the dating scene for 16 years now, but based on what I see on social media, I think online dating sucks today for three reasons. 1. Many men (Not all, but many) are there simply because they want to get laid. They're not looking for a relationship, they're looking for a hook-up, and they're not honest about their int…

> Many men (Not all, but many) are ... not looking for a relationship, ... and they're not honest about their intentions.

> Some women ... expect to be taken out to $50+/plate restaurants on a first date, ... women are just trying to score free meals

> It's hard to make relationships kick off when they begin so adversarial.

I think you're letting a judgmental and expectant point of view toward certain women on the apps cloud over a very real problem of why the apps are not very useful for finding relationships. The basis of which is our expectations of how we want others to be and when they are not, they are the problem (justified or not) -- that then morphs into a cascading sequence of issues, if engaged with, on repeat.

That these particular women, who have expectations, at least say so -- up front. Yet comparing that with men are "not honest about their intentions" (expectations).

How is a woman looking for an actual relationship suppose to work with dishonesty? Men looking for an actual relationship can steer clear of that impending disaster.

I can ignore someone who declares their expectations, which I find off-putting. And if they don't declare it but expect a mindreader and they instead get a coffee, well I'm out a coffee and thankfully they showed who they were early and I move on. Their loss, not mine. On the other hand, if my date was stringing me along and lying about what they wanted until I was deceived enough into handing over what that actually was -- that's a far more consequential loss than a $4 cup of coffee. We should want everyone to clearly state what they want and expect, without the judgements, then everyone (with proper intentions) would benefit.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#110

I’m almost certain these dating apps, including Hinge and Bumble are creating loads of good-looking fake women profiles to attract male users and keep their platforms “sticky”. There are suspicious telltale signs like location downtown when nobody says they live downtown in my area. The same responses and prompts across multiple profiles. It’s equivalent to them cooking their books, but with vanity metrics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_butchering_scam

> We invest $125 million annually in trust and safety teams, features and initiatives to help prevent and disrupt potential harm on and off our platforms. As we outlined in our Impact Report, we remain focused on several areas, including safety policy, features, social advocacy, law enforcement operations and outreach, and safety by design.

from:

https://mtch.com/single-news/922/#:~:text=We%20invest%20$125...

"Americans are losing at least $119 billion every year to scams, according to a new estimate from the nonprofit Consumer Federation of America, a consumer advocacy group."

from:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/scam-cost-price-money-...

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