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Bird brains (2023)

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Re: Bird brains (2023)

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It’s for the best, house cats torture the birds and frogs around here and I hate it. I never knew frogs could scream.

There was a prize-winning photo of a lynx doing that to a rat, a few days ago. https://petapixel.com/2026/03/24/wildlife-photographer-of-th... Then further down the page, "A sika deer carries the interlocked severed head of a rival male that had died after their battle". Nature, eh.

Sure but housecats aren’t nature

Re: Bird brains (2023)

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It’s for the best, house cats torture the birds and frogs around here and I hate it. I never knew frogs could scream.

Life sucks. I bet the 10s of 1000s of animals used to source the protein in your cat food had a great life though

They eat crickets funny enough. Anallergic. And as animal production goes the crickets seem happy enough.

Re: Bird brains (2023)

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> Dr. Irene Pepperberg studied an African grey parrot named Alex for 30 years. Alex could identify objects, colours, shapes, and numbers. He understood abstract concepts like "same" and "different." His vocabulary exceeded 100 words. When he died in 2007, his last words to Pepperberg were reportedly "You be good. I love you. See you tomorrow." I don't care how you define intelligence -- that one's hard to brush off.…

Ah yeah that's exactly what it was but thought I'd try to add a bit more emotion to this point haha. Even if the parrot said this every night as a good night - its still very sweet that Alex said that every night :)

Then to put it bluntly; you lied to your audience.

> "I don't care how you define intelligence -- that one's hard to brush off."

If your audience conceived it as possibly being a merely repeated phrase that the researcher probably said thousands of times, not something the parrot actually understood, then it is very easy to brush off as something we already knew parrots could do.

Re: Bird brains (2023)

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post #80

If you're in tune with animals and spend time around a parrot, it's obvious there is a lot going on in their minds. They have incredible memories and their own understanding of their world. It looks simple to us but they are not simple creatures. That being said, I don't know how a bird lover can keep a bird in a cage.

Many animals (including birds, dogs, horses) like the sanctuary and comfort of a cage and choose to use them, but obviously it shouldn't be used like a prison.

Even prisoners walk back into their cells. Comfort doesn’t erase confinement. A bird’s world is the open sky—so an open door doesn’t make a cage any less of one.

Re: Bird brains (2023)

#146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a prize-winning photo of a lynx doing that to a rat, a few days ago. https://petapixel.com/2026/03/24/wildlife-photographer-of-th... Then further down the page, "A sika deer carries the interlocked severed head of a rival male that had died after their battle". Nature, eh.

Sure but housecats aren’t nature

They're totally doing that same lynx stuff, though. They're not not nature.

Re: Bird brains (2023)

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If you're in tune with animals and spend time around a parrot, it's obvious there is a lot going on in their minds. They have incredible memories and their own understanding of their world. It looks simple to us but they are not simple creatures. That being said, I don't know how a bird lover can keep a bird in a cage.

If you're referring to keeping parrots in cages outside of their natural habitats, that ship sailed when they were brought to non native locations. I'm being hyperbolic, but I assume you don't want them to be released in the wild and die, right?

We have some feral colonies set up in places like Miami and San Francisco, but not all species thrive in warm locations.

That said, my palm sized green cheek conure is rarely in his extremely large cage (it's 4 by 4 feet). Door is always open unless he's sleeping or we're out of the house. Usually he's with me on my shoulder when I'm working during the day and gives his "2 cents" when I'm in meetings.

Most parrots kept as pets prefer it locked for security reasons. He'll get anxious if it's not when he's trying to sleep.

I've seen a lot of terrible bird owners, but I also know plenty that enrich their bird's lives. My little conure has a surprisingly extensive vocabulary for a species not known for speaking.

He says "poo" when when he has to poop, "what's up?" when he greets anyone, "whatcha doing", "", "yeah!" (mimicking Little Jon), "stop" (when he doesn't like what we're doing), "good boy", "Love you" and a few others I can't recall off the top of my head.

Re: Bird brains (2023)

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Worth nothing that the "mirror test" may not be accurate for a lot of animals - like dogs. Dogs are a lot more sensitive to smell, and can pass smell-based mirror-test-equivalents.

Maybe also worth noting some evidence that ants can apparently pass the mirror test.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Insects

When it first came out I don't think anyone quite knew what to make of that, and I'm not sure anything's changed since.

Re: Bird brains (2023)

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post #64

Makes sense, given that to birds, optimizing for weight is everything. But seeing that the ridiculously smart border collies have a comparatively low density of neurons, clearly there’s more to intelligence than that.

I don’t even know how you’d compare their intelligence, it’s so apples to oranges.. Most birds build nests so they have an advantage in tool use and that’s what gets them ahead in some tests. On the other hand, have anyone tried to train corvids to herd other birds/animals? I bet BCs will have an advantage there:)

Re: Bird brains (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yeah that's exactly what it was but thought I'd try to add a bit more emotion to this point haha. Even if the parrot said this every night as a good night - its still very sweet that Alex said that every night :)

Then to put it bluntly; you lied to your audience. > "I don't care how you define intelligence -- that one's hard to brush off." If your audience conceived it as possibly being a merely repeated phrase that the researcher probably said thousands of times, not something the parrot actually understood, then it is very easy to brush off as something we already knew parrots could do.

Thanks that’s fair critique. And apologise for the half truth there.
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